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Mental Health · Jordan Pickell and Alison McCleary

Edge of the Couch

by Jordan Pickell and Alison McCleary

Two good friends and experienced therapists explore the topics that were either shied away from or dismissed because they were too big, too nuanced, too risky, or too uncomfortable to address in school or even in supervision. We want to inspire and encourage therapists to think more deeply, show up more fully, and find humour and self-compassion in navigating the messier parts of being a therapist.

Latest episodes

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Why You Shouldn't Get Behind On Notes

In this episode, we respond to an anonymous post in a therapist facebook group where the therapist neglected to write a note for a client for a YEAR. We talk about the po

Oct 21
26 min

Therapist Ego - Live from Kelowna

Note: This episode was recorded live during our tour stop in North Vancouver. As such, we sound like we're on speakerphone. Join us on Patreon for bonus content at

Oct 14
34 min

Do Therapists Get Tired of Talking About the Same Thing Over and Over Again? - Live from North Vancouver

Note: This episode was recorded live during our tour stop in North Vancouver. As such, we sound like we're on speakerphone. Join us on Patreon for bonus content at

Oct 7
27 min

Working with Dissociation

For our Season 11 premiere, we discuss dissociation--the range of severity, how it shows up in session, and how we typically respond in our own practices. This is a big t

Sep 30
37 min

Ending Sessions on Time

We're currently on tour, but we are so excited to share this conversation with you! In this episode, we discuss all the interesting layers of this instagram reel by

May 13
39 min

The Role of Emotion in Therapy

Emotion is the heart of our work as therapists. They can be slippery and elusive, hard to access, scary to tap into and feel fully. There are countless frameworks for und

May 6
39 min

How to Avoid Being Harmful on Social Media

Even though we discussed being a therapist on social media fairly recently, we thought it was important to talk about it again because a therapist with a huge following (

Apr 29
39 min

Has a Client Ever Hurt Your Feelings?

You guessed it-- we saw something online this week that got us thinking. This time, it was a reel where a therapist claimed that clients cannot hurt her feelings. But...

Apr 22
43 min

Confrontation is a Key Part of the Job

This episode is all about confrontation, challenging, 'calling in'. We talk about how gentle confrontation is an essential part of our work as therapists. We be

Apr 15
36 min

If You Want a Village, You Have to be a Villager

In this episode, we talk about how this phenomenon shows up in the therapy room. Some clients feel their asking for help is burdensome to their friends, so they keep to t

Apr 8
35 min

PATREON PREVIEW: Therapist Red Flags

This week, we wanted to give you a peek into what our content on Patreon looks like. Breaking with our usual format, we are a little looser, a little more personal, a lit

Apr 2
19 min

Therapists as Wet Blankets

In this episode, we talk about how therapists can be humourless, anti-love, bubble-bursters. Not really... but maybe a little bit? We believe being the wet blanket is act

Mar 25
39 min

Touching in Therapy: A Relational Perspective

You probably heard this in grad school: "Never, ever touch your clients."  But you know, for us, things are rarely black-and white. What about high fives? What about comf

Mar 18
33 min

It's Not Morbid to Talk About Death

Are you comfortable talking about death with your clients? Not just around their grief and losses, but also about their own future deaths. Some clients will be open about

Mar 11
42 min

Where Story Meets Science

Inspired by the new research article critiquing and perhaps 'debunking' polyvagal theory, we are sitting with the tension between adjusting to emerging neurosci

Mar 4
40 min

Should We Bring Back Shame?

Hear us out... we know that so many of our clients are in therapy specifically to work through chronic shame, and we work alongside them to pull back the layers and find

Feb 25
37 min

The Problem with Therapist Promises and Guarantees

Therapists should not be out here guaranteeing results! That is a big red flag. But false assurances aren't just for those "bad therapists" over there; we, too, can

Feb 18
33 min

Show and Tell in Therapy: When Clients Want to Share Videos, Text messages, or Poetry with Us

Clients bring in photos, videos, and artwork—and we love it. It helps us see their world more clearly. But what happens when the sheer volume becomes overwhelming, bounda

Feb 11
34 min

For the Record... Neutrality Doesn't Exist

It's time for a refresher about why it's harmful when therapists put on a front of "neutrality". Especially during this time in history, people need therapists

Feb 4
35 min

Our Thoughts on Acceptance and Forgiveness

In the finale of Season 9, we discuss the concepts of acceptance and forgiveness, and how they show up in therapy. Therapists can have strong opinions about these, and we

Jan 28
37 min

Chart trend

Position in the Mental Health chart (US), last 90 days.

#58
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Chart positions

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#94 ▼ 2 Mental Health US

What listeners say

A curated, balanced selection of Apple Podcasts reviews.

Edge of the Couch is a rare gem in the world of therapy podcasts—thoughtful, unfiltered, and deeply human. What sets it apart is the way the hosts dive into the real, raw experiences of being a therapist, especially in those early, vulnerable years of practice. They don’t shy away from the complexities and messiness of the therapeutic relationship, and their conversations feel like you’re sitting in on a coffee shop chat between honest friends who get it. It’s not just informative; it’s affirming. Whether you’re a new therapist or a seasoned one needing a reminder that you’re not alone, this podcast is a must-listen. Only thing I would love to see is more inclusion of resources such as books,articles, and studies that delve even deeper into the topics.

Clarksforkriver · May 2025

Love this show— highly recommend! Not only do I learn a lot from this podcast, it also has helped me me develop my own opinions and approach to the therapeutic process. Thank you Allison and Jordan!

ch3rishth3day · Apr 2025

Love love love this pod! I started listening my first semester in grad school for mental health counseling and now I’m about to graduate. This podcast really helped to ground my learning in a more realized way, and got to address some of the stuff I had wondering about but never really had the space for in classes. I love the perspectives shared and the care and consideration for each and every conversation! I joined you on the edge of the couch!

Seanolds1 · Nov 2024

I love listening to their honest opinions about therapy and navigating being a good therapist. I’ve learned so much, and feel so much more educated going into the field than before when I hadn’t listened to it. Sending love from south Texas!

Favorite podcast!!!! · Nov 2024

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