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What Do You Mean By That?

by Sara and Misasha

Join multi-ethnic co-hosts Sara + Misasha - two wickedly smart, heart-led, long-distance best friends - as they help folks talk smarter and think deeper about the world around us. Whether it's about science, history, current events, social justice, or more, their community consists of people who want to be better humans, to benefit all of us. We won't let the fire hose of information overwhelm us. Whether you're a seasoned expert or new to the work, you'll find yourself listening, learning, and feeling inspired to do something new after each episode. If you can never get enough knowledge but also don't want to feel overwhelmed… Congratulations, you've found your people. Follow to join a community of curious folks who constantly wonder: what do you mean by that?

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35: Still (Un)comfortable: Five Years of Dear White Women

Five years ago, Sara and Misasha published Dear White Women: Let's Get (Un)comfortable Talking About Racism - and almost immediately got an email accusing them of being t

Sep 22
26 min

34: The Sound of Silence: Fascism, Nativism, and What's Happening Right Now in America

Picture a newsroom in Rome under dictator Benito Mussolini's fascist regime in the 1930s. A censor's red pencil moves down a page before it ever reaches a printing press.

Sep 8
36 min

33: Redlining Explained: History, Housing Discrimination & the Latest Policy Updates

If you were with us back in our early days, you remember we did a whole episode on redlining: the history of it, the literal red lines drawn on maps in the 1930s to keep

Aug 25
52 min

32: The Psychology of Good and Evil: Raising Active Bystanders with Prof. Ervin Staub

Here's your chance to listen to a firsthand account of one of the most horrible parts of our recent human history, and how we stop it from happening again. This episode f

Aug 11
55 min

31: The Words We Use, The People We Judge: A Conversation on Incarceration with Marcus Bullock

Do you know someone who's been incarcerated? Have you ever actually asked them their story, instead of judging them on that one fact? Because 95% of incarcerated people

Jul 28
1 h 14 min

30: The Supreme Court Ruled on Transgender Athletes: Here's Who Got Left Out of the Story - Airs 7-14-26 - with Schuyler Bailar

On June 30th, 2026, the Supreme Court ruled that states can bar transgender girls and women from competing on girls' and women's teams. Six to three. It's now the law in

Jul 14
55 min

29: The Story They Don't Want You To Know: The REAL Native American Experience In America, with Crystal Echo Hawk

Crystal Echo Hawk's daughter gets asked if she still lives in a teepee. And Crystal's response isn't rage - it's something more unsettling.  She gets it.  Because 87%

Jun 30
42 min

28: Who Gets to Be American? Japanese Internment, Reparations, and the Fight for Constitutional Rights with John Tateishi

Imagine you're six years old. You look out past a barbed wire fence at a highway in the desert, and every single car that passes by is driven by someone white. The teache

Jun 16
1 h 13 min

27: The History of Hate

Six people. That's all it took. Six young men sitting in a law office in Pulaski, Tennessee, in December of 1865 - just eight months after the Civil War ended - decided t

Jun 2
55 min

26: Still Not a Monolith: How We're Thinking About AANHPI Heritage Month This Year

What does it mean to be American? What does it mean to be Asian American — and why, in 2026, are so many of us still leading with worry? Today, in honor of AANHPI Herit

May 19
22 min

25: From Almost High School Dropout to Stanford Law to Fighting for All Of Us: Using Legal Skills as a Force for Good, with Luke Liss

What if the thing holding back justice isn't lack of will — it's lack of access?  Today's guest is doing something about that after coming up from a really rough time i

May 5
33 min

24: Are White Men Smarter Than Everyone Else? With Steve Phillips

The choice before us in 2026 is similar to the choice before Americans in the latter half of the 19th century, and the way we're framing it today is this:  Which straig

Apr 21
45 min

23: 7 Years, One Big Rebrand, and Everything We Know Now: An Honest Anniversary Conversation

7 Years, One Big Rebrand, and Everything We Know Now: An Honest Anniversary Conversation Have we ever thought about quitting the podcast? What did we think when we were

Apr 7
24 min

22: Where Do You Belong? Multi-Ethnic Identity and Citizenship with Megumi Nishikura

Sara. Misasha. Megumi. All three of us are the daughter of one Japanese parent and one White parent each. All three of us had dual citizenship with the United States and

Mar 24
32 min

21: Fixing Fairness: The Future of DEI, Workplace Equity, and Organizational Change, with Lily Zheng

What if the very programs designed to make workplaces fairer are actually making the problem worse? In this episode, we begin with the famous "Cobra Effect"—a colonial

Mar 10
45 min

20: Where the Girls Were, with Kate Schatz

Today's conversation is one about history — but also about now. About 1968 and about 2026. About who gets control over their own body — and who never truly has. About the

Feb 24
30 min

19: The Conversations We All Need to Have About Black History Month

Here we are, February, which is also Black History Month (and for the record: Black history is American history. We'll say this all day, every day, until everyone gets on

Feb 10
24 min

18: What to do about (Secret Pol)ICE In Our Communities

*** We recorded this episode before ICE murdered Alex Pretti, a 37 year old ICU nurse who was attempting to help a woman up who had been pushed to the ground by ICE agent

Jan 27
45 min

17: New Year of Actions + Why Getting Names Right Matters

If you're a repeat listener to the podcast over the last almost SEVEN years, you know that sometimes, we've done seasonal arcs in which we focus on a topic or theme for t

Jan 13
25 min

16: Leaving 2025 Behind: What We're Letting Go Of and What We're Taking Into 2026

We've had rough years before—but 2025? This one hit different.  If you've been listening to us for the last six years, you know we're no strangers to hard conversations

Dec 30 2025
31 min

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