New Law Order

David Wilkins (Harvard Law): Bias Without Bigotry

Big Law has spent decades and a fortune on diversity, and the numbers barely moved at the partnership level. The usual explanation is that somewhere in the building (or s

CJ Mahoney (Meta): Inside Counsel at Scale

In this episode of New Law Order, Joel Cohen and Yale Law Professor John Morley speak with CJ Mahoney, Chief Legal Officer of Meta, about one of the hardest legal questio

Richard Sander (UCLA Law): A Mismatch Critique of Affirmative Action

Richard Sander, UCLA law professor and economist, has spent decades advancing one of the most controversial arguments in legal education: that large racial preferences in

Mike Gerstenzang (Cleary Gottlieb): AI from the Inside

Michael A. Gerstenzang, the longtime managing partner and now senior partner of Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton, explains how he positioned one of the world's most estab

Judge Paul Grimm: Deep Fakes in the Courtroom

This week, we’re sharing a timely episode from a related TalksOnLaw podcast, AI Lawyer. In this episode, host Joel Cohen is joined by Judge Paul Grimm for a conversation

Jason Boehmig (Ironclad): The Rise of the Legal Technologist

Artificial intelligence is beginning to change not just how lawyers work, but what parts of the job remain distinctly human. In this episode of New Law Order, we speak wi

Gretta Rusanow (Citi): The New Math of Law Firm Profitability

Law firms like to describe themselves as simple partnerships. Economically, they behave more like highly tuned performance machines balancing profit, talent, leverage, an

Scott Shapiro (Yale Law): Law as Code & the AI Power Shift

Artificial intelligence is usually sold as productivity: faster research, faster drafting, faster answers. In this episode of New Law Order, Yale Law professor Scott Shap

Chris Bogart (Burford Capital): Litigation as an Asset Class

What happens when you stop treating litigation as a cost center—and start treating it like capital? In this episode of New Law Order, Joel Cohen and John Morley sit down

John Quinn (Quinn Emanuel): Building a World Litigation Empire

John Quinn proved the legal industry orthodoxy wrong. In a world obsessed with the "full-service" law firm model—where litigation can feel like a service arm for lucrativ

Brad Karp (Paul Weiss): Law According to Karp

Brad Karp, Chairman of Paul Weiss, is arguably the most powerful law firm leader in America—and he has had a hell of a year. Eight weeks after suffering a heart attack, K

Jeffrey Toobin: Bending the Knee – Trump's Executive Orders on Law Firms

What happens when the President of the United States declares war on specific law firms? In a move described as "literally without precedent" , the Trump administration u