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Personal Journals · Nicole Fonarow and Jolene Conway

We've Got To Talk

by Nicole Fonarow and Jolene Conway

Our story begins in the halls of the University of Iowa, go Hawks! It was there that two seemingly different paths intersected and a friendship blossomed. Despite our different upbringings—Jolene in little Pleasantville, Iowa, and me, Nicole, just across the Golden Gate Bridge in the bustling Bay Area—we became fast friends. And here we are, almost 40 years later, living in a world that often seems intent on drawing lines in the sand and choosing sides. So why "We've Got To Talk"? Because we truly believe that in this deeply divided society, the power of conversation can unite us. Our goal isn't to change each other's opinions, but to listen with curiosity, kindness, and empathy. And yes, to have a good time while doing it! We invite you to join us on this journey and bring your friends along. We might not have all the answers or any of them—but we promise honesty, empathy, and a lot of heart. We hope our conversations give you a fresh outlook or at least entertain you as you go about your day.

Latest episodes

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We Spend More on Interest Than Defense: We’re In A Debt Crisis | Marc Goldwein

Jolene and I have been trying to work out whether the US is actually in a financial emergency, or whether we’re just stuck in the usual loop of scary headlines, charts, a

Oct 14
1 h 00 min

Tribalism Is Destroying American Politics | Lura Forcum

Most of us don’t want “our side” to win. We want the country to work, with less chaos, less political theater, and fewer people getting rich off outrage while nothing get

Oct 7
58 min

"Bridgers vs. Dividers: The Report Card That Could Change the Midterms "

Most of us don’t actually want “our side” to win. We want the country to work, with less chaos, less political theatre, and fewer people getting rich off outrage while no

Sep 30
49 min

What If We Replaced Politicians With Regular People Picked by Lottery?

We’ve lost a lot of trust in politicians in America, and it’s not hard to see why. Politics feels like a permanent campaign where leaders are performing, fundraising, and

Sep 23
39 min

How to Talk to “The Enemy” with Larry Rosen

Politics can feel like a loyalty test now. Like you are either on the right team, or you are a threat. In this conversation with Larry Rosen, attorney turned mediator and

Sep 16
57 min

Liberal and Conservative: 5 Questions We've Always Wanted to Ask

We are back in the Ozarks for our second annual in-person recording at Jolene’s house, and we decided to ask each other a handful of questions we have thought about askin

Sep 9
53 min

Liberal and Conservative Compare: Fox News vs MSNOW

A year and a half ago, when we started our podcast, Jolene and I had an uncomfortable realization. We weren’t just “watching the news”; we were watching news that already

Sep 2
35 min

Will Social Security run out in 2032?

They’re saying Social Security could run out by 2032, and that timeline is close enough to feel real. We talk through what that warning actually means for everyday Americ

Aug 26
53 min

How Future Caucus Gets Republicans and Democrats to Work Together

We walked away from our conversation with Layla Zaidane feeling something we don’t always feel after talking about politics: hope. Layla is the President and CEO of Futur

Aug 19
1 h 04 min

The problem with my political party is.....

Accountability and common ground shouldn’t feel like rare collectibles in American politics, but lately that’s exactly what they are. In this episode, we ask the question

Aug 12
36 min

What an Australian Really Thinks of America

Social media algorithms are shaping how the world sees America, and it’s not pretty. In this episode, we ask a simple question people are searching for everywhere right n

Aug 5
46 min

We Answered Your Political Questions

Why does it feel like two-thirds of the country has completely checked out of the political process? In this special mailbag episode, Jolene and I step up to answer your

Jul 29
46 min

Why is there no accountability on Capitol Hill?

Accountability on Capitol Hill should be a given, but why is it that Congress feels immune to the standards the rest of us live by? It’s easy to see why voters across the

Jul 22
44 min

The Conservative Solution to Climate Change

Why has a critical issue like global energy independence been trapped inside a left-wing political monopoly for decades? In this episode, Jolene and Nicole sit down with

Jul 15
52 min

Gen X: The Greatest Generation

Why do people say that Gen X was the very last generation to have a real childhood? In this episode, we take a look at what it was like growing up Gen X and what it reall

Jul 8
48 min

Can you be Liberal and Patriotic?

Why does celebrating the 4th of July suddenly feel like a political statement? In this episode, Jolene and Nicole tackle the upcoming 250th birthday of the United States

Jul 1
44 min

David French: How America Will Recover

Why are modern political movements suddenly reviving ideas that the world discredited decades ago? In this episode, we sit down with New York Times columnist and constitu

Jun 24
1 h 06 min

Who actually votes for Donald Trump?

Why does it feel like modern politics has shifted from simple disagreements to an all-out war for team loyalty? In this episode, we sit down with Stephen Hawkins, the dir

Jun 17
1 h 01 min

Is Minimum Wage the Real Problem with Tipping Culture?

Tipping culture in the USA is out of control right now. In this episode, we dig into the history of tipping in America, why it became normal for customers to subsidize wa

Jun 10
49 min

Trump’s Tax Letter & The 1776 Fund: Republican vs Democrat

In this episode, we tackle the shocking details behind Donald Trump’s latest legal maneuver. Nicole and Jolene break down why Trump suddenly dropped his massive $10 billi

Jun 3
38 min

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