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The Uncertain Hour

by Marketplace

Each season, we explain the weird, complicated and often unequal American economy — and why some people get ahead and some get left behind. Host Krissy Clark dives into obscure policies and forgotten histories to explain why America is like it is. The latest season examines the “welfare-to-work industrial complex” and the multi-million dollar companies running today’s for-profit welfare centers.

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Latest episodes

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Integration Generation (bonus episode from “Unlocking the Gates”)

In a new collaboration between Marketplace and APM Studios called “Unlocking the Gates,” host Lee Hawkins investigates how a secret nighttime business deal unlocked the g

Mar 7 2025
22 min

The $80 Million Acre (from “How We Survive”)

This week, we’re dropping into your feeds to tell you about another podcast we make here at Marketplace that we think Uncertain Hour listeners will like. It’s called “How

Nov 14 2023
33 min

Chapter 6: The Welfare to Temp Work Pipeline

Since the 1990s, most cash welfare recipients have been required to get a job or do mandated “work activities” to receive their monthly check. These requirements are inte

Apr 26 2023
55 min

Chapter 5: Profits and Perverse Incentives

Antoine Dukes is a natural born salesman. And when he started working for a for-profit welfare company, he figured it was a good way to put his skills to work helping nee

Apr 19 2023
49 min

Chapter 4: The Battle of Newburgh

In 1961, city officials in Newburgh, New York, declared war on their poorest residents by proclaiming, without evidence, that the city was overrun by welfare cheats. It w

Apr 12 2023
35 min

Chapter 3: Race and rumor

In the 1950s, a rumor that people were moving to Newburgh, NY to live off welfare riled up the city. When city leaders essentially declare war on welfare — and the people

Apr 5 2023
36 min

Chapter 2: The compliance machine

A single mother of two in Chicago was working and taking classes to become an addiction counselor when her life fell apart. The father of her youngest child assaulted her

Mar 29 2023
54 min

Chapter 1: The dream

When a struggling mother of two in Milwaukee hits hard times, she turns to a local welfare office for help — a welfare office outsourced to a private, for-profit company.

Mar 22 2023
44 min

Season 6: The Welfare-to-Work Industrial Complex

There is a growing chorus of politicians who argue that there’s a simple solution to help all kinds of problems, including poverty, labor shortages and government deficit

Mar 15 2023
4 min

25 years after welfare reform, let’s revisit “the magic bureaucrat”

It’s been 25 years since our country upended its welfare system – and so we’re looking back at our very first episode. We spent that first season of “The Uncertain Hour”

Aug 20 2021
41 min

My boss is an app

The gig-app workforce has arrived at our doorstep. But Silicon Valley’s innovations in hiring are only the latest round of this long-running battle over what employment m

Mar 24 2021
46 min

Inside baseball

In minor league baseball, professional athletes train, suit up and play for wages that would be illegal in most sectors. Players live in crowded apartments, sleep on air

Mar 17 2021
44 min

Big Boss, Little Boss

After Jimmy Nicks’ job was subcontracted, he took both companies to court — the subcontractor he worked for and its client, Koch Foods. The “little boss” and the “big bos

Mar 10 2021
33 min

To catch a chicken

When chicken catcher Jimmy Nicks’ job was subcontracted, virtually overnight, he started doing the same job for a new boss — only without the pay, protections and benefit

Mar 3 2021
36 min

The liquid workforce

Over a quarter of the world’s largest employers don’t just make or sell products — they also rent out workers. Let’s talk about how we got here. For even more of “The Un

Feb 24 2021
38 min

“To suffer or permit to work”

This week we’re finally going to tell you what happened to Jerry Vazquez — and how his story relates to the 1930s case of a hotel chambermaid. Jerry and some of his fello

Feb 17 2021
47 min

Who’s the boss?

Jerry Vazquez was in the cleaning business now, and his clients liked him. They’d leave him notes, some with smiley faces drawn in. But, he says, he was barely getting by

Feb 10 2021
44 min

Congratulations! You’re an entrepreneur now

Jerry Vazquez always dreamed of working for himself. So when he saw a notice in the PennySaver advertising janitorial franchises, he decided to go all in. Pretty soon aft

Feb 3 2021
41 min

‘The Uncertain Hour’ is back!

Employment as we know it is changing. The kinds of jobs where one person works for one employer for years — with health insurance, sick days, paid vacation and a retireme

Jan 27 2021
4 min

Answering your “History of Now” questions

We’ve spent the past five weeks trying to make sense of this moment, where the inequalities of our society have been suddenly set in high relief. In that time, you all ha

Jun 17 2020
28 min

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#110 ▼ 5 Government US

What listeners say

A curated, balanced selection of Apple Podcasts reviews.

Informative and engaging. A must-listen for any U.S. taxpayer.

AJM08AZ · Aug 2023

I love how well researched Season 6 is. It provides a very data-driven look into perverse incentives that apply to for-profit organizations. My only gripe is that the research horsepower wasn’t split in half to investigate viable alternatives or organizations and policies that are working and should be leaned into.

BRs are for big kids · Aug 2023

Absolutely phenomenal show in the most frustrating way. I love the deep dive into complex programs that people love to hate but have no real understanding of the underlying complexity.

Jlieberman92 · Jun 2023

I find it jarring that the show advertises alcohol delivery services, when alcoholism and other kinds of substance addiction are a major cause/symptom of poverty. I also found it strange that the host, in season 6, shines a spotlight on the fact that the former director of a private welfare contractor is Jewish. Why did we need to know that? Was his religion relevant in some way? These questionable tactics detract from what is otherwise entertaining and educational journalism.

Tmmrrfffhhhg · Jun 2023

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