5-4 is a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. Hosted by Peter Shamshiri, Rhiannon Hamam, and Michael Liroff, it's a progressive and occasionally profane take on the ideological battles at the heart of the Court's most important landmark cases and an irreverent tour of all the ways in which the law is shaped by politics.
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The Innocence Case from Hell with Josie Duffy Rice
#8 trending · Government
Friend of the pod Josie Duffy Rice joins Peter and Michael to talk about her new podcast, The Backfire Effect. Her show digs into the case of Temujin Kensu, a man sentenc
Sep 15 57 min
National Park Service v. National Trust for Historic Preservation
#47 trending · Government
We have to let the President build a ninety thousand square feet of ballroom.
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Sep 8 52 min
John Roberts is on Substack, U.S. Attorneys are Fake, and the DNC is a Scam [TEASER]
Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael dig into some recent headlines including plans to ban halal food in Texas, John Roberts’ Substack debut, the disturbing truth behind DNC spam
Aug 25 4 min
NRSC v. FEC
Yet another opinion where the Supreme Court decides that money is speech and bribery doesn’t exist without a big sack of money.
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Aug 18 38 min
Trump v. Slaughter (and Trump v. Cook)
Executive agencies are fake by the way…
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Aug 11 56 min
Gambling Away the Future: Kalshi, SCOTUSBlog, and Trump’s Bet on the Midterms [SUBSCRIBER-ONLY]
Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael take a break from case law to discuss the possibility of stolen midterms, the evil lawyers defending Kalshi and Polymarket, and SCOTUSBlog’s
Aug 4 4 min
Mullin v. Doe
It’s not racist to think, act, and talk like a racist.
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Jul 28 55 min
West Virginia v. B.P.J.
The Supreme Court backs West Virginia in banning it's only openly trans student athlete from the girls cross country team.
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Jul 21 1 h 02 min
The Legal Media is Still in Denial [SUBSCRIBER-ONLY]
Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael take a hard look at media coverage of this Supreme Court term.
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Jul 14 4 min
Trump v. Barbara
Birthright citizenship, widely considered settled law before Trump tried to overturn it via executive order last year, escaped this term unscathed by one single vote. Pet
Jul 7 1 h 06 min
250 Years of Bad Decisions: SCOTUS, the Civil War, and the End of Reconstruction
In honor of America’s birthday, join Peter, Rhiannon, Michael and University of Pennsylvania Law Professor Kermit Roosevelt as they talk through how the Supreme Court gre
Jun 30 54 min
“The Most Destructive Chief Justice in My Lifetime”: Dissecting John Roberts with Lisa Graves
Rhiannon interviews Lisa Graves – right‑wing influence expert, former Justice Department official, co‑host of Legal AF, and founder of True North Research – about her lat
Jun 23 54 min
The Supreme Court v. The First Step Act
In two cases this term, federal inmates sought their freedom based on compassionate release, an early release process that was expanded under the 2018 First Step Act. The
Jun 16 41 min
Reform the Court and Your Love Life (Summer 2026 Mailbag) [TEASER]
The 5-4 team dreams up a bigger, better Supreme Court, gives advice to overachieving undergrads and late-blooming law students, and clears up confusion about Rhiannon’s f
Jun 9 4 min
California v. Greenwood
Raccoons are the police now.
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Jun 2 52 min
Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Chadha
In 1983, the Supreme Court declared the legislative veto unconstitutional, forever kneecapping Congress’ ability to check the executive branch. Now you have to learn abou
May 26 44 min
Introducing: OnlyFantasy (Leon's New Podcast)
In this provocative investigation into OnlyFans— the adult platform where subscribers around the world spent more than $7 billion in 2024— the guy who reads the intros on
May 21 11 min
The People v. MrBeast [TEASER]
We made 3 legal podcasters watch Mr. Beast and now they think he’s the antichrist.
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May 19 5 min
Louisiana v. Callais
The end of the Voting Rights Act, brought to you by the Supreme Court.
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May 7 1 h 00 min
Brecht v. Abrahamson
You have the right to remain silent. Unless you are a gay ex-con from Wisconsin. Then you’re a Bad Boy™.
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May 5 47 min
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A curated, balanced selection of Apple Podcasts reviews.
5-4 details important Supreme Court cases and the context surrounding them in an engaging and informative conversational format. I appreciate that they take the time to discuss the procedural nuances and legal contexts and irregularities that are not discussed for normies and fly over my head in legal circles.
I look forward to new episodes, but today when a new episode started playing automatically I realized the theme music caused the same dread reaction as when a relative I don't speak with often calls and I already know I'm about to hear something horrible has happened.
Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael manage to deliver updates on the death of our civil liberties with skillful bedside manner that doesn't leave me feeling completely hopeless. (most of the time)
your wife's platonic male pal · Sep 2026
Equal parts funny, rage inducing, and enlightening. I laugh, learn something, and leave every episode with at least one fact that’s destined to make extended family dinners more interesting.
Joannimal86 · Jul 2026
I have followed 5-4 for years. The episode with Lisa Graves on Chief Justice Roberts, which is different from the usual wonderful episodes, must be heard. Graves explains, with evidence, why it’s important to understand that Roberts is no umpire. He is as deceptive as Trump, and he is more cunning.
Tracy C 2026 · Jun 2026
Such an important and fantastic podcast. You’ll laugh out loud, want to become a lawyer while simultaneously hating the law… highly recommend 10/10
Greenloverfit · Jun 2026
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