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"The Cognitive Revolution"

by Erik Torenberg, Nathan Labenz

A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the coming years. The Cognitive Revolution is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: turpentine.co

Latest episodes

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The Balance of AI Power: Anton Leicht on Politics, Pacing Deals, and Muddling Through Well

#49 trending · Technology

Anton Leicht, a fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and author of Threading the Needle, joins Nathan Labenz to explore how political and institutiona

Sep 15
2 h 10 min

AI:AM Highlights: Astra as AGI, OpenAI's Pause, Mythos @ Mozilla & Human Agency vs Technocapitalism

Nathan Labenz and Prakash Narayanan examine the capabilities of GPT-6 Astra and the economic forces accelerating frontier artificial intelligence. Across a series of feat

Sep 12
1 h 42 min

Nathan Goes to China #3: US-China Relations, the Art of the AI Deal & the Road to Pax Robotica

In this solo finale to his three-part series following two weeks in China, Nathan delivers a net assessment of Chinese AI capabilities and constraints ahead of dedicated

Sep 10
3 h 17 min

AI:AM Highlights: Welcome to the AGI Era

This highlights compilation from AI in the AM captures a landmark week shaped by the releases of Anthropic's Fable 5.1 and OpenAI's GPT-6 Astra alongside new revelations

Sep 5
2 h 20 min

Write, Change, Recall, Forget: MongoDB's Pete Johnson on How Retrieval Drives Agent Performance

Nathan's guest this episode is Pete Johnson, Field CTO of AI at MongoDB, and the conversation is really two conversations woven together: a history of database architectu

Sep 1
1 h 36 min

AI:AM Highlights: Recursive Self-Improvement, Rushed and Vibe-Coded?

In this AI:AM Highlights episode, Nathan Labenz and Prakash revisit three live mornings with Louis Kirsch and Damon Falck of Inherent Laboratories, Vercel CTO Malte Ubl,

Aug 28
2 h 11 min

RL's a Hell of a Drug: Metagaming, Reward Seeking & Motivated CoT Reasoning – Bronson Schoen, Apollo

Nathan talks with Apollo Research Member of Technical Staff Bronson Schoen, who studies raw frontier-model chain-of-thought, about what those reasoning traces reveal duri

Aug 26
2 h 14 min

AI in the AM — Weekly Highlights: Relaunch Week (Aug 17–20, 2026)

Relaunch week of AI in the AM brings together highlights from four live mornings and nine guests, centered on who checks frontier AI, how wide the gap is between lab-inte

Aug 22
2 h 33 min

Let There Be Germicidal Light: This $500 Fixture Could Stop the Next Pandemic, from Complex Systems

Patrick McKenzie (patio11) hosts Aerolamp CEO Misha Gurevich and Chief Scientist Vivian Belenky, a Columbia University researcher, for a Complex Systems conversation abou

Aug 16
1 h 25 min

Lindy Teammate: Flo Crivello on Multiplayer Agents, Memory & Why He'd Ban the Chinese Models He Uses

Flo Crivello returns to The Cognitive Revolution to launch Lindy Teammate, an AI employee that lives in Slack, connects to company tools, and accumulates a team’s shared

Aug 14
2 h 06 min

Thinking in Silico: Goodfire CTO Dan Balsam on Concept Manifolds & a $1000/Month ML Research Agent

Goodfire co-founder and CTO Dan Balsam returns to discuss where interpretability research now stands and to introduce Silico, the $1,000-per-month research platform Goodf

Aug 8
1 h 57 min

Pick Your Poison: Zvi Mowshowitz on the Unipolar/Multipolar AGI Dilemma, OpenFace & Pacing the ...

Zvi Mowshowitz returns for his eleventh appearance to discuss what current AI tools are actually good for, where they distort judgment, and why writing still matters as a

Aug 5
2 h 57 min

Nathan Goes to China – Part 2: AI Safety with Chinese Characteristics

Nathan reports from two weeks in China, including WAIC in Shanghai and an AI safety hub launch at Tsinghua, to examine the American policy argument that any safety obliga

Aug 2
2 h 17 min

Is Offense or Defense Dominant? FAR.AI's Adam Gleave on the AI Security Leaderboard

FAR.AI co-founder and CEO Adam Gleave joins Nathan to discuss FAR.AI’s AI Security Leaderboard, the first systematic head-to-head evaluation of the misuse safeguards fron

Jul 30
1 h 44 min

Nathan Goes to China – Part 1: Tech & Agent Setup, Chinese AI UX, WAIC, and Attitudes on AI

Nathan returns from two weeks in Beijing and Shanghai for the first of three Chatham House–rules episodes on what China feels like at ground level: getting online, naviga

Jul 27
2 h 24 min

Alignment with Awakening: Davidad on Moral Realism, AI Wisdom, & why His p(Doom) is Down to 5%

David “davidad” Dalrymple joins the show to explain why he has moved from the ARIA Safeguarded AI and formal-verification agenda toward “Alignment with Awakening,” while

Jul 12
2 h 23 min

AI:AM Highlights: Exploring the J-Space, AI Superforecasters, SambaNova's Chips, & LTX Video Gen

Nathan Labenz and Prakash Narayanan lead this AI:AM highlights episode with a live, hosts-only exploration of Anthropic’s “global workspace” paper, including the J-space

Jul 9
2 h 07 min

Intelligence on the Edge: Liquid AI's Ramin Hasani on the Search for Device-Native Foundation Models

Liquid AI co-founder and CEO Ramin Hasani joins Nathan to make a technically grounded case against the idea that scale alone defines the future of AI. Drawing on Liquid’s

Jul 4
1 h 47 min

1000 Designs a Day: Neural Concept's Thomas von Tschammer on AI-Native Engineering

Thomas von Tschammer, co-founder and Managing Director US of Neural Concept, argues that physics-aware AI is driving a third revolution in engineering physical products.

Jul 1
1 h 29 min

AI:AM #4: Cameron on Model Consciousness, Duvenaud's Gradual Disempowerment, swyx's AI-Eng Alpha

This AI:AM highlights cut brings together Cameron Berg, David Duvenaud, Michiel Bakker, Shawn “swyx” Wang, and Bing Xu to examine what we understand about frontier AI sys

Jun 27
1 h 56 min

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This is one of the most informative podcasts on AI. The deep dives with industry leaders like Tokarev Sela are so insightful!

Sneha Saigal · Mar 2025

The cognitive revolution is an amazing podcast that has really captured my interest. The host talks with AI experts about the significant ways artificial intelligence is reshaping our world. Each episode is deep and insightful, making me come back to listen to some of them more than once. It’s a great resource for anyone curious about the impact of AI across various fields.

Wightout · Feb 2024

Nathan does a great job to find important and interesting material to share with the audience on a regular basis. He has a diverse group that he interviews, and I appreciate when he works deeply on the subject and then just does a long monologue to explain his thinking. This is one of the best AI podcasts going

JohnW8111 · Jan 2024

Nate does an amazing job of bringing on interesting and exciting guests across the field of AI and staying up to date with exciting new developments! This is my go-to source for long form audio on AI and helps immensely with understanding the AI zeitgeist.

Gobblygooboy · Dec 2023

The guests this podcast gets are great. Unfortunately, the host of this show wants so desperately to show the guests (who have real AI credits) how much he knows about AI that he ends up talking for 2/3rds of the podcast, leaving his poor guests with not much to do but stammer out a polite “yea” every now and then. A typical show will go off the rails with the host pontificating at length about some topic he thinks he can sound smart about or trying tp relate everything back to his own experience of (surprise) not being an AI developer and then asking the guest “what do you think about that?” I find myself screaming (internally) “shut up and listen”. This host should learn from those that do this well, like Dwarkesh. Or really any other podcast host.

DApple50000 · Apr 2025

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