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Technology · Erik Torenberg, Nathan Labenz

"The Cognitive Revolution"

by Erik Torenberg, Nathan Labenz

A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the coming years. The Cognitive Revolution is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: turpentine.co

Latest episodes

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One Brain, Any Body: Google DeepMind's Keerthana on Gemini Robotics 2, Cross-Embodiment & Humanoids

Keerthana Gopalakrishnan, Research Lead for Gemini Robotics at Google DeepMind, returns to discuss the release of Gemini Robotics 2, whole-body intelligence, and the purs

Oct 3
1 h 32 min

AI:AM: Was Trump-Xi Anything? What Counts as Utopia? + AWS GPUs Cost 3X & AI Diagnoses Rare Diseases

Nathan Labenz and Prakash Narayanan examine rapid shifts in technology, diplomacy, and medicine with guests Jeremie and Edouard Harris, Steve Hou, Joel Borgen, and Daniel

Oct 1
1 h 29 min

Obsolete or Irreplaceable? Garrison Lovely on Stopping the Race to Replace Human Labor

Author and journalist Garrison Lovely joins Nathan to discuss his book Obsolete and examine the motivations and beliefs of the leaders racing to build AGI. Drawing a shar

Sep 29
2 h 14 min

AI:AM: What If It Works Too Well? Colluding Agents, $200M Safety Orgs, Virtual Cells Saturate at 2%

Nathan Labenz and Prakash Narayanan revisit interviews with five experts to analyze emerging challenges across agent coordination, safety funding, GPU markets, and physic

Sep 27
1 h 47 min

What is Utopia? Presenting The Receipt Horizon, by Joel Borgen – Chapters 1–4

This episode presents the first four chapters of The Receipt Horizon, a debut novel by Joel Borgen co-written with ChatGPT and Claude and narrated entirely by synthetic v

Sep 26
2 h 51 min

Zero to One in AI Safety: Halcyon's Mike McCormick on Launching 30 New Orgs & the Founder Bottleneck

Mike McCormick, founder and CEO of Halcyon, discusses why the primary bottleneck in AI safety, biosecurity, and cybersecurity is a shortage of experienced founders rather

Sep 25
1 h 50 min

AI:AM Highlights: Zvi on Pacing & Trump-Xi, Astra better behaved than Fable? + a new LLM Pain Axis??

Nathan Labenz and Prakash Narayanan review key highlights from the week featuring guests Zvi Mowshowitz, Andon Labs co-founders Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund, Cameron

Sep 19
1 h 41 min

No Code Is Code: Zapier CEO Wade Foster on Headless Tools, Zapier MCP & Automation Bench

Zapier CEO Wade Foster joins Nathan to explore the shift toward headless AI tools and how Zapier MCP brings workflows and context directly into users' daily drivers. Draw

Sep 17
1 h 08 min

The Balance of AI Power: Anton Leicht on Politics, Pacing Deals, and Muddling Through Well

Anton Leicht, a fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and author of Threading the Needle, joins Nathan Labenz to explore how political and institutiona

Sep 15
2 h 10 min

AI:AM Highlights: Astra as AGI, OpenAI's Pause, Mythos @ Mozilla & Human Agency vs Technocapitalism

Nathan Labenz and Prakash Narayanan examine the capabilities of GPT-6 Astra and the economic forces accelerating frontier artificial intelligence. Across a series of feat

Sep 12
1 h 42 min

Nathan Goes to China #3: US-China Relations, the Art of the AI Deal & the Road to Pax Robotica

In this solo finale to his three-part series following two weeks in China, Nathan delivers a net assessment of Chinese AI capabilities and constraints ahead of dedicated

Sep 10
3 h 17 min

AI:AM Highlights: Welcome to the AGI Era

This highlights compilation from AI in the AM captures a landmark week shaped by the releases of Anthropic's Fable 5.1 and OpenAI's GPT-6 Astra alongside new revelations

Sep 5
2 h 20 min

Write, Change, Recall, Forget: MongoDB's Pete Johnson on How Retrieval Drives Agent Performance

Nathan's guest this episode is Pete Johnson, Field CTO of AI at MongoDB, and the conversation is really two conversations woven together: a history of database architectu

Sep 1
1 h 36 min

AI:AM Highlights: Recursive Self-Improvement, Rushed and Vibe-Coded?

In this AI:AM Highlights episode, Nathan Labenz and Prakash revisit three live mornings with Louis Kirsch and Damon Falck of Inherent Laboratories, Vercel CTO Malte Ubl,

Aug 28
2 h 11 min

RL's a Hell of a Drug: Metagaming, Reward Seeking & Motivated CoT Reasoning – Bronson Schoen, Apollo

Nathan talks with Apollo Research Member of Technical Staff Bronson Schoen, who studies raw frontier-model chain-of-thought, about what those reasoning traces reveal duri

Aug 26
2 h 14 min

AI in the AM — Weekly Highlights: Relaunch Week (Aug 17–20, 2026)

Relaunch week of AI in the AM brings together highlights from four live mornings and nine guests, centered on who checks frontier AI, how wide the gap is between lab-inte

Aug 22
2 h 33 min

Let There Be Germicidal Light: This $500 Fixture Could Stop the Next Pandemic, from Complex Systems

Patrick McKenzie (patio11) hosts Aerolamp CEO Misha Gurevich and Chief Scientist Vivian Belenky, a Columbia University researcher, for a Complex Systems conversation abou

Aug 16
1 h 25 min

Lindy Teammate: Flo Crivello on Multiplayer Agents, Memory & Why He'd Ban the Chinese Models He Uses

Flo Crivello returns to The Cognitive Revolution to launch Lindy Teammate, an AI employee that lives in Slack, connects to company tools, and accumulates a team’s shared

Aug 14
2 h 06 min

Thinking in Silico: Goodfire CTO Dan Balsam on Concept Manifolds & a $1000/Month ML Research Agent

Goodfire co-founder and CTO Dan Balsam returns to discuss where interpretability research now stands and to introduce Silico, the $1,000-per-month research platform Goodf

Aug 8
1 h 57 min

Pick Your Poison: Zvi Mowshowitz on the Unipolar/Multipolar AGI Dilemma, OpenFace & Pacing the ...

Zvi Mowshowitz returns for his eleventh appearance to discuss what current AI tools are actually good for, where they distort judgment, and why writing still matters as a

Aug 5
2 h 57 min

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This is one of the most informative podcasts on AI. The deep dives with industry leaders like Tokarev Sela are so insightful!

Sneha Saigal · Mar 2025

The cognitive revolution is an amazing podcast that has really captured my interest. The host talks with AI experts about the significant ways artificial intelligence is reshaping our world. Each episode is deep and insightful, making me come back to listen to some of them more than once. It’s a great resource for anyone curious about the impact of AI across various fields.

Wightout · Feb 2024

Nathan does a great job to find important and interesting material to share with the audience on a regular basis. He has a diverse group that he interviews, and I appreciate when he works deeply on the subject and then just does a long monologue to explain his thinking. This is one of the best AI podcasts going

JohnW8111 · Jan 2024

Nate does an amazing job of bringing on interesting and exciting guests across the field of AI and staying up to date with exciting new developments! This is my go-to source for long form audio on AI and helps immensely with understanding the AI zeitgeist.

Gobblygooboy · Dec 2023

The guests this podcast gets are great. Unfortunately, the host of this show wants so desperately to show the guests (who have real AI credits) how much he knows about AI that he ends up talking for 2/3rds of the podcast, leaving his poor guests with not much to do but stammer out a polite “yea” every now and then. A typical show will go off the rails with the host pontificating at length about some topic he thinks he can sound smart about or trying tp relate everything back to his own experience of (surprise) not being an AI developer and then asking the guest “what do you think about that?” I find myself screaming (internally) “shut up and listen”. This host should learn from those that do this well, like Dwarkesh. Or really any other podcast host.

DApple50000 · Apr 2025

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