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Technology · Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin

More or Less

by Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin

Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin have debated the future of Silicon Valley and tech as the closest of friends for the last 15 years. Now six companies, two venture funds and more than a decade at Google, Apple and Facebook later, they are opening up the debate. From The Information, Offline Ventures, and Slow Ventures. Follow the crew: http://x.com/davemorin http://x.com/brit http://x.com/lessin http:/x.com/jessicalessin Follow the pod: https://moreorlesspod.com/ http://youtube.com/moreorlesspod https://x.com/moreorlesspod

Latest episodes

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Did Jensen Make the AI Boom, or Did the AI Boom Make Jensen?

#36 trending · Technology

Full quad for this ep and halfway through recording, the Wall Street Journal reported that Jensen Huang was out at Nvidia. We didn’t stop the tape. Consider the first par

Nov 13
48 min

AI Killing Engineering Jobs Is “the Biggest Load of BS”

A year ago VCs were telling Parker Conrad that software engineering was months away from mass unemployment. His update: salaries are higher, the market is tighter, and a

Nov 6
57 min

Amazon, Google, ChatGPT: When Do Products Start Gaming Their Users?

Bing Gordon co-founded Electronic Arts, spent 18 years at Kleiner Perkins, sat on Amazon's board for 15 and is credited by John Doerr and Jeff Wilke with the idea for Pri

Oct 30
1 h 03 min

⁠The Real Reason Elon Wants SpaceX and Tesla to Merge Now

Elon tells investors on an earnings call that SpaceX and Tesla should merge, and Sam has a theory he says nobody else has floated: there's an enormous SpaceX lockup cliff

Oct 23
51 min

The Death of the Web Is Inevitable

Jess went full send on Muse and reports that about 70% of the use cases she was excited about have stopped working, because the internet is fighting back: Good Eggs now w

Oct 16
50 min

Agentic Commerce Hits a Wall: Hilton, Amazon and the Bot Blocking Fight

Meta and Microsoft, two of Anthropic's biggest enterprise customers, have roughly halved their Claude usage, and both are running their own models instead. Dave's diagnos

Oct 9
53 min

Meta Muse vs Instinct vs OpenAI Dots: Do AI Agents Have Any Moat?

Anthropic's S-1 leaked and the numbers are not what the narrative promised: revenue flatlining as token prices drop, and SaaS investors posting memes welcoming Anthropic

Oct 2
57 min

Claude Is Doing Science, a16z Is Starting a University & the AI Bubble Keeps Growing and Still Be a Terrible Business; We'd Rather Send Our Kids to the Military Than to a16z's School

Andreessen Horowitz puts $35 million into a new school and the pod nearly falls apart over it. Sam says he'd rather send his kids to the military, Jess is all for fixing

Sep 25
58 min

Anthropic Wants to Slow AI Down & Instinct Wants a $10B Valuation. Is It Because They're Losing? Is Dario Amodei Actually Right?

Finally, a full house week where Sam is back from New York and the squad is back for a full dive into this week’s AI drama. Anthropic's Dario wrote a long essay calling f

Sep 18
56 min

iPhone Duo, Meta Muse & Why AI Finally Scared Dave Morin

Dave Morin goes hands-on with Apple's iPhone Duo, the crew tests Meta's new Muse agent and asks whether it can hold up once Google ships its own, and Dave explains why Op

Sep 11
51 min

AI Agents Are Going Rogue. Should We Be Worried?

Sam has entered what Jessica calls the “recursive Sam loop,” producing children’s media in his own voice, letting agents deploy their own apps, and having bots track his

Sep 4
55 min

Meta’s $17B Reckoning & Why Parents Can’t Compete With Big Tech's Algorithm

Sam is recording poolside, Jess is embracing her agentic era, and somehow that’s the least chaotic part of this week’s episode. The squad digs into Meta’s $17 billion set

Aug 28
54 min

Stripe Buys OpenRouter, OpenAI vs. Anthropic & the AI Backlash

Stripe buys OpenRouter for billions, which naturally raises the question: did Stripe just buy critical AI infrastructure, or a very expensive router with great distributi

Aug 21
56 min

Special Edition MOL with Josh Wolfe, Rachel Holt, Scott Belsky, Scott Stanford, and Peter Deng

A very special edition of More or Less, featuring Josh Wolfe (Founder, Lux Capital), Rachel Holt (Founder, Construct Capital; former Head of North America at Uber), Scott

Aug 14
58 min

Jeff Dean Leaves Google, Airtable Sells, and the Bag-Securing Era

Sam records from the beach while dealing with a broken bilge pump. Dave calls in after herding cattle. Fortunately, tech continues without them, which Sam takes as furthe

Aug 7
55 min

Zuck says AI is for everyone, His Rivals Ask Washington To Slow it Down

New studio set up: the squad now records from a parked Tesla in the middle of a rainstorm while Sam is on the beach, and somehow it turned into one of our favorite episod

Jul 31
59 min

Did OpenAI Stage Its Own Cyber Incident? | Stripe Buying Paypal, Frontier Model Economics, Peptides

Deep summer check-in from the More or Less squad. Dave is back on Instagram after a year away (thanks to Stagecoach), Jessica reviews Benson Boone's Wanted Man tour, Chri

Jul 24
1 h 01 min

AI Regulatory Capture Bet: Why OpenAI & Anthropic Stopped Competing on Tech

You know we're deep into summer when Jess leaves the pod early to catch Benson Boone... for the eighth time. This week, the More or Less squad revisits the Anthropic an

Jul 17
50 min

OpenAI Offered the Government a Stake. Is This a Distress Signal?

The full quad is back, unpacking OpenAI's offer to give the U.S. government an equity stake. Sam's take: it's less a marketing win than a distress signal. The squad also

Jul 10
55 min

Why Identity Verification Matters For The Internet | Vox Americanus, GLM 5.2, Claude Fable 5 Is Back

The full quad is back just before the Fourth of July. Dave and Sam explain why padel is just pickleball for fancy people, Sam vibe-coded an app to prove you’re actually A

Jul 3
54 min

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Like a tech news/analysis and variety show—they’re obviously all super sharp and have a great depth of experience, but it’s also entertaining. They’ve got a good dynamic and it’s fun to listen to. Feels a little like crashing their dinner party.

MotivatedLinSF · Aug 2025

This podcast is the ultimate tech variety show. The clever back-and-forth between the Morins and Lessins strikes the perfect balance between lighthearted and insightful. Their skepticism of trends like foundational models and their bullish takes on companies like Meta have pushed me to think more critically about the future of tech. I tune in every week—it's truly unmissable!

SIR Captain Planet · Sep 2024

As a founder this an amazing resource and I love the fact that Sam swears more than I do, I always thought I won that award. In all seriousness, it’s the best podcast in the vc/tech space and raw and honest.

BZN2109 · Oct 2023

Nice show! I particularly tune in for Sam’s opinion on topics. Always find he has a unique and refreshing take (even if I don’t always agree!)

sbxveiix · Sep 2023

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