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Technology · Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin

More or Less

by Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin

Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin have debated the future of Silicon Valley and tech as the closest of friends for the last 15 years. Now six companies, two venture funds and more than a decade at Google, Apple and Facebook later, they are opening up the debate. From The Information, Offline Ventures, and Slow Ventures. Follow the crew: http://x.com/davemorin http://x.com/brit http://x.com/lessin http:/x.com/jessicalessin Follow the pod: https://moreorlesspod.com/ http://youtube.com/moreorlesspod https://x.com/moreorlesspod

Latest episodes

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Meta Muse vs Instinct vs OpenAI Dots: Do AI Agents Have Any Moat?

#30 trending · Technology

Anthropic's S-1 leaked and the numbers are not what the narrative promised: revenue flatlining as token prices drop, and SaaS investors posting memes welcoming Anthropic

Oct 2
57 min

Claude Is Doing Science, a16z Is Starting a University & the AI Bubble Keeps Growing and Still Be a Terrible Business; We'd Rather Send Our Kids to the Military Than to a16z's School

Andreessen Horowitz puts $35 million into a new school and the pod nearly falls apart over it. Sam says he'd rather send his kids to the military, Jess is all for fixing

Sep 25
58 min

Anthropic Wants to Slow AI Down & Instinct Wants a $10B Valuation. Is It Because They're Losing? Is Dario Amodei Actually Right?

Finally, a full house week where Sam is back from New York and the squad is back for a full dive into this week’s AI drama. Anthropic's Dario wrote a long essay calling f

Sep 18
56 min

iPhone Duo, Meta Muse & Why AI Finally Scared Dave Morin

Dave Morin goes hands-on with Apple's iPhone Duo, the crew tests Meta's new Muse agent and asks whether it can hold up once Google ships its own, and Dave explains why Op

Sep 11
51 min

AI Agents Are Going Rogue. Should We Be Worried?

Sam has entered what Jessica calls the “recursive Sam loop,” producing children’s media in his own voice, letting agents deploy their own apps, and having bots track his

Sep 4
55 min

Meta’s $17B Reckoning & Why Parents Can’t Compete With Big Tech's Algorithm

Sam is recording poolside, Jess is embracing her agentic era, and somehow that’s the least chaotic part of this week’s episode. The squad digs into Meta’s $17 billion set

Aug 28
54 min

Stripe Buys OpenRouter, OpenAI vs. Anthropic & the AI Backlash

Stripe buys OpenRouter for billions, which naturally raises the question: did Stripe just buy critical AI infrastructure, or a very expensive router with great distributi

Aug 21
56 min

Special Edition MOL with Josh Wolfe, Rachel Holt, Scott Belsky, Scott Stanford, and Peter Deng

A very special edition of More or Less, featuring Josh Wolfe (Founder, Lux Capital), Rachel Holt (Founder, Construct Capital; former Head of North America at Uber), Scott

Aug 14
58 min

Jeff Dean Leaves Google, Airtable Sells, and the Bag-Securing Era

Sam records from the beach while dealing with a broken bilge pump. Dave calls in after herding cattle. Fortunately, tech continues without them, which Sam takes as furthe

Aug 7
55 min

Zuck says AI is for everyone, His Rivals Ask Washington To Slow it Down

New studio set up: the squad now records from a parked Tesla in the middle of a rainstorm while Sam is on the beach, and somehow it turned into one of our favorite episod

Jul 31
59 min

Did OpenAI Stage Its Own Cyber Incident? | Stripe Buying Paypal, Frontier Model Economics, Peptides

Deep summer check-in from the More or Less squad. Dave is back on Instagram after a year away (thanks to Stagecoach), Jessica reviews Benson Boone's Wanted Man tour, Chri

Jul 24
1 h 01 min

AI Regulatory Capture Bet: Why OpenAI & Anthropic Stopped Competing on Tech

You know we're deep into summer when Jess leaves the pod early to catch Benson Boone... for the eighth time. This week, the More or Less squad revisits the Anthropic an

Jul 17
50 min

OpenAI Offered the Government a Stake. Is This a Distress Signal?

The full quad is back, unpacking OpenAI's offer to give the U.S. government an equity stake. Sam's take: it's less a marketing win than a distress signal. The squad also

Jul 10
55 min

Why Identity Verification Matters For The Internet | Vox Americanus, GLM 5.2, Claude Fable 5 Is Back

The full quad is back just before the Fourth of July. Dave and Sam explain why padel is just pickleball for fancy people, Sam vibe-coded an app to prove you’re actually A

Jul 3
54 min

Chinese AI Model GLM 5.2 Beating Frontier Models | Meta Glasses, Polymarket Scandal, and More AI Talent War

The quad is back. Dave and Brit rejoin Sam and Jess fresh off a More or Less fan encounter at the Zurich airport. It was quite the week for Meta as the squad breaks down

Jun 26
49 min

Elon Is the Best Financier of Our Generation

Sam and Jessica go two-on-two this week to unpack the SpaceX IPO and whether a $2.5 trillion valuation is actually justified, exploring why “it’s valuable because it’s va

Jun 19
40 min

Teamshares IPO: $60M EBITDA, 92 Companies, Zero Exits

Seven years after Slow wrote its first check, Sam sits down with Teamshares CEO Mike Brown as the company prepares to go public. Mike’s core insight is simple: America ha

Jun 17
51 min

Apple’s New Siri, SpaceX’s $300B IPO & the AI Company Killing Its Own Brand

Dave joins the squad from YC just ahead of WWDC, where the group breaks down Apple’s upgraded Siri and the surprising revelation that much of Apple’s AI capability is pow

Jun 12
44 min

Silicon Valley IPO Summer 2026: SpaceX, Anthropic, OpenAI Explained

Brit subs in for Jess as Sam and Dave unpack the AI IPO boom, including SpaceX, Anthropic, and Cerebras, debate whether AI agents can actually replace employees, and reac

Jun 5
45 min

Did Anthropic Use the Pope as a Marketing Stunt? Ft. Amir Efrati

This week on More or Less, Amir Efrati of The Information joins Jessica, Brit, and Dave to unpack the growing intersection of AI, government, and national security, from

May 29
50 min

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Like a tech news/analysis and variety show—they’re obviously all super sharp and have a great depth of experience, but it’s also entertaining. They’ve got a good dynamic and it’s fun to listen to. Feels a little like crashing their dinner party.

MotivatedLinSF · Aug 2025

This podcast is the ultimate tech variety show. The clever back-and-forth between the Morins and Lessins strikes the perfect balance between lighthearted and insightful. Their skepticism of trends like foundational models and their bullish takes on companies like Meta have pushed me to think more critically about the future of tech. I tune in every week—it's truly unmissable!

SIR Captain Planet · Sep 2024

As a founder this an amazing resource and I love the fact that Sam swears more than I do, I always thought I won that award. In all seriousness, it’s the best podcast in the vc/tech space and raw and honest.

BZN2109 · Oct 2023

Nice show! I particularly tune in for Sam’s opinion on topics. Always find he has a unique and refreshing take (even if I don’t always agree!)

sbxveiix · Sep 2023

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