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If We Knew Then - Down Syndrome Podcast

by Stephen and Lori Saux

We are Stephen and Lori Saux, the hosts of the If We Knew Then podcast and parents of two children. Our youngest, Liam, just happens to have Down syndrome. When Liam was born, we didn’t know very much about Down syndrome, and most of the information we did have wasn’t very hopeful, positive, or truthful. Well, this podcast was created to change that. Through honest conversations with parents, self-advocates, educators, medical professionals, and community leaders, If We Knew Then aims to share stories that break down stereotypes to help redefine what it means to live a life that includes Down syndrome. Each episode is an invitation to see beyond archaic assumptions and into the truth that our children’s lives are full of potential, love and value. This podcast is more than just a podcast; it’s a community where caregivers can find support and encouragement. Where the fears we carry can be met with understanding and where victories, big and small, are celebrated together. Our mission is to empower families to create change through advocacy and to remind the world that inclusion is not only possible but essential... for all of us. We believe in sharing the true experiences that often go unheard and in building a future where every person with Down syndrome writes their own story. Whether you’re a parent just starting this journey, an educator seeking insight or an ally who wants to stand with the Down syndrome community, you belong here. This is where caregivers find connection, love fuels advocacy and the true narrative of Down syndrome is written. Why we started recording: When we began, we did not plan to start a movement. We wanted to make sense of what we were learning as parents. Early on, every appointment focused on what Liam might not do, rather than what he could do with support. We looked for voices that offered perspective and encouragement. Finding few, we decided to record our own. Each episode is structured around a single topic. We have covered medical updates, inclusive education, communication, advocacy in schools, and the transition to adulthood. We approach every conversation as parents asking questions, not experts delivering answers. Over time, the audience has grown into a community that includes families, teachers and professionals who use the podcast to learn from one another. Listeners often contact us to say that the podcast helped them during the first days after receiving a diagnosis. Some teachers have written that the interviews helped them adjust classroom practices to better include students with intellectual disabilities. These specific outcomes show the impact that open and factual discussion can have. What we know now: The name If We Knew Then came from a conversation about hindsight. We often thought about what we would have done differently if we had known more in the beginning. We would have pushed sooner for inclusion and worried less about milestones set by comparison rather than need. Through the podcast, we continue to learn from others who share that same reflection. Parents speak honestly about uncertainty after diagnosis. Educators explain methods that lead to student progress. Doctors describe how life expectancy and quality of care have improved over the past few decades and people with Down syndrome share their true experiences. Concrete facts that replace old fears with knowledge. We know now that advocacy is most effective when it starts with accurate information and cooperation among families, professionals and self-advocates. That belief shapes every episode we record. What advocacy means in practice: Advocacy on our podcast focuses on practical changes. We address how to prepare for Individualized Education Program (IEP) meetings, how to communicate with healthcare providers, how to navigate social situations that can exclude people with disabilities and our realization that living a life with Down syndrome in it, may quite possibly be the best thing

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208. Changes To Special Education And How We Continue To Advocate with Stephanie Hall Meredith

In this powerful episode we sit down with longtime disability advocate Stephanie Hall Meredith for an honest conversation about the changes happening around special educa

Aug 21
1 h 00 min

207. The Back-to-School Anxiety No One Talks About in Special Education

Back to school can bring excitement, but for but for caregivers of students with Down syndrome, it often brings anxiety. Before the first day, many parents are already t

Aug 9
41 min

206. A Pediatrician Answers All Your Down Syndrome Questions

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Mona Patel Gera from Children’s Hospital Los Angeles and talk through the “laundry list” that comes with a Down syndrome diagnosis.

Jul 24
1 h 27 min

205. If Inclusion Is the Goal, Why Are So Many Still Left Out?

In this episode we speak with Micah Kessel, founder of Playground of Empathy and creator of Empathable, a project designed to help people experience perspectives differen

Jul 16
1 h 12 min

204. Siblings Of Siblings With Down Syndrome

This week we are joined by our daughter Sophia and guests Dr. Brian Skotko and Sue Levine to talk about the sibling experience in families of individuals with Down syndro

Jul 6
1 h 04 min

203. A High School Diploma Is Attainable - May Mallari

This week we talk with attorney and parent advocate May Mallari about what happens when expectations are set too early in a child’s education. We were drawn to her becaus

Jun 25
1 h 27 min

202. Alzheimer's And Down Syndrome - Dr. Brian Skotko

In this episode we revisit with Dr. Brian Skotko to talk about the impact of Alzheimer’s in the Down syndrome community and discuss some proactive steps that may help to

Jun 17
1 h 03 min

201. A Conversation About Down Syndrome If You Happened Upon The Unfortunate YouTuber

In this episode we have a very important conversation with Dr. Stephanie Hall Meredith, a nationally recognized public health researcher, author, Down Syndrome advocate a

Jun 10
1 h 12 min

200. The Power Of Words

It's our 200th episode and we decided to talk about the most powerful gift you have as an advocate... your words. We not only discuss the words you speak, but also the wo

Jun 3
44 min

199. Being Told To Grieve The Child You Didn't Have

What happens when one of the first things you’re told after a Down syndrome diagnosis is to grieve the child you didn’t have? In this episode, we take a hard look at tha

May 29
44 min

198. It's Liam's 16th Birthday!

This episode is a celebration of Liam and also a reflection of what the last 16 years have been. We discuss unfair societal constructs along with systemic flaws in educat

Feb 19
1 h 06 min

197. An Update with Melissa Kynoch - Bertie's In School

We reconnect with Melissa Kynoch, whom many will remember from the BBC documentary Life and Birth. Millions of viewers around the world were inspired by Melissa’s positiv

Feb 3
1 h 09 min

196. Buddy Up For Life with Beth Gibson

Beth Gibson, Founder & Executive Director of Buddy Up for Life/Buddy Up Tennis, founded Buddy Up for Life in 2008 when her then 3 ½-year-old son, Will, who has Down syndr

Nov 26 2025
1 h 01 min

195. Yellow Flower Gills Me Whole - Poetry By Sid Ghosh

Here is another beautiful conversation we had with Dr. Vaish Sarathy and her son, poet Sid Ghosh who has published a book of poetry titled Yellow Flower Fills Me Whole. S

Nov 11 2025
1 h 01 min

194. That’s Not How It Happened: A Novel By Craig Thomas

In this episode, we sit down with How I Met Your Mother co-creator Craig Thomas to talk about his new novel, That’s Not How It Happened. The novel is about a family whose

Nov 3 2025
59 min

193. Accommodations In An IEP Are A Right Not A Favor

When schools treat accommodations like a gift instead of a legal right, students with disabilities are the ones who pay the price. In this episode, we share our firsthand

Oct 18 2025
34 min

192. Choosing A Pediatrician with Dr. Ilona Kleiner

In this episode we revisit a conversation with our longtime pediatrician, Dr. Ilona Kleiner, who has been with our family since the day Sophia was born and has guided us

Sep 16 2025
57 min

191. Play Dumb and Sabotage - Speech Pathologist Jeaneen Tang

Today we  sit down with speech-language pathologist and author Janine Tang to talk about her new book "Play Dumb and Sabotage: Mindfully Under-Anticipating the Child’s Ne

Sep 8 2025
1 h 18 min

190. Advocating Through The Challenges Of A New School Year

In this episode, we discuss the challenges of a new school year and how we advocate to create a foundation of support for Liam, with the intentions of creating a narrativ

Aug 30 2025
47 min

189. Let’s Talk About Transitions - Middle School to High School

In this episode Stephen and Lori sit down on a quiet summer morning to reflect on the season of transitions, both for their family and for their son Liam, who just gradua

Aug 24 2025
52 min

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