Documentary · Rubrik | Nicole Perlroth
by Rubrik | Nicole Perlroth
American companies are being infiltrated—not by hackers breaking in, but by workers. Thousands of North Korean operatives are applying to jobs across the U.S.—and getting them. They are embedding themselves at Fortune 500 companies. Government agencies. Critical infrastructure. Even the firms tasked with stopping this threat. To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll is a first-of-its-kind audio documentary exposing this global labor pipeline—one that is quietly funneling hundreds of millions of dollars a year back to the regime, and its nuclear weapons program. Host Nicole Perlroth, bestselling author and former lead cybersecurity and digital espionage reporter for The New York Times, takes listeners inside this hidden network—from a rare, inside look at a North Korean IT worker on the job, to interviews with defectors who escaped it, to knocking on the doors of Americans hosting “laptop farms” on North Korea's behalf. Along the way, the series reveals how this playbook is creating a hiring freeze for American workers, in a challenging job market. And how it has metastasized—adopted by cybercriminal groups and fraud networks around the world—blurring the line between nation-state espionage and organized crime. To Catch a Thief is co-produced by Nicole Perlroth and Rubrik in partnership with Pod People. To Catch a Thief was written and produced by Nicole Perlroth, along with Khrista Rypl, T. J. Raphael, Rebecca Chaisson and Sam Gebauer. Additional thanks to Allie Pinel, Fendall Fulton, Krissy Clark, Cai Lee, Eunice Park and Aimee Machado. Editing and Sound Design by Erica Huang. Art direction and design by Ben Long, Gareth Strange and Sarah Burley at the John & Jane Agency, and support from John Leestma.
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Despite having worked in cybersecurity awareness and education for years, I’m learning as much here as I did from Nicole’s book. Great podcast!
This is a story of threats to U.S. National Security that needs to be heard and taken seriously. Don’t be scared off or intimidated if it sounds geeky or too technical for your understanding. Nicole Perlroth is a gifted story teller who has taken a potentially complicated topic and framed it into a sitting-on-the-edge-of-your-seat drama that’s compelling no matter how much you think you know. In today’s world where western society has found ways to make anything and everything a partisan issue, this warning—this story is a wake up call after all—is not a political one. It describes an existential threat to our highly connected and digitally dependent way of life. Have a listen, and as Nicole says at the end herself, find a way you can put your finger on the scale, and PRESS DOWN!
This podcast should terrify people and not just because it reveals how easily U.S. pipelines, grids, and institutions can be shut down, but because no one in power wants to stop it. CISA’s has been gutted. TikTok bans are political theater. Jeff Bezos cuts million-dollar checks to the grifter-in-chief, while Amazon sells Chinese-made routers that quietly dismantle the U.S. economy, one backdoor at a time. Xi doesn’t need a military. He already has access through your smart fridge, your Ring camera, and your dependency on cheap, connected tech. This vulnerability isn’t accidental. It’s systemic. These aren’t one-off failures—they’re the scaffolding: A nation founded on slavery, still fueled by racial capitalism, where Black Americans have long survived oppression by masking intelligence, outmaneuvering power structures by pretending not to threaten them. That legacy is still alive, still misunderstood. Forced births and medical torture, sold as “pro-life,” where 10-year-olds are forced to give birth to their uncle’s baby, and brain-dead women are kept alive to gestate. Cue real-life Handmaid’s Tale. Under His Eye. A healthcare system that profits off death and desperation, where people stay in abusive jobs for bad insurance, and UnitedHealthcare lets you die waiting for a prior auth. A grifter-in-chief, parading as a savior, who is selling off credibility and infrastructure, isolating the U.S., alienating allies, undermining global coalitions, cozying up to dictators, pretending to care about the debt to sway voters, then passing bills that screw over the very people who voted for him. All while claiming he knows what he’s doing, then tantruming when reality disagrees. And a population so battered by misinformation, fear, and convenience addiction that they no longer believe anything meaningful unless it comes from Joe Rogan or Barstool. And who engineers that misinformation? The same billionaires who own the platforms, the data, the media, and the narrative. Let’s be real: Land of the free, home of the Crumbls, eating a $25 cookie on your way home from your likely thankless job for a dopamine hit, while dodging the crumbling infrastructure. To Catch a Thief doesn’t just expose how China is stealing from the US. It shows how the US left the door open, handed over the keys, and then laughed at anyone who tried to sound the alarm. Classic Dunning-Kruger in action. The empire isn’t falling. The collapse is being livestreamed with a ring light, a Crumbl cookie, and a busted axle.
Excellent podcast. Very informative. Scary stuff but so good to know. Appreciate the gentle approach to political issues
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