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Government · Lawrence Lessig

The Law, such as it is

by Lawrence Lessig

An exploration of a broken, if beautiful, institution, the law, and tradition, America. Season one told the story of a case, LESSIG v. NYT. Season two begins the story about a country, America, and values that country has betrayed.

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Bonus episode: NotebookLM's summary of the case (Corrected)

In this episode, we share a podcast create by NotebookLM based on the transcripts from the 9 episodes of the podcast. It is a powerful summary of the case, which is a gre

May 22
44 min

The Closing Argument

In this final episode, Lessig pulls together the argument from across the season. Why did this happen? What should happen next?

May 6
1 h 52 min

Unpacking the final allegation — "Allegation 1"

Allegation 1 is the only allegation within the 6 year limit for fraud investigation. In this episode, we show why it too fails — and the astonishing failure in the invest

Apr 17
47 min

Unpacking "Allegation 3"

In this episode, we review Allegation 3, and reveal the simple omission that undermined the investigation into this allegation.

Apr 15
48 min

Dismantling "Allegation 4"

We continue in this episode by unpacking the charges behind allegation number 4, which involved a paper written 15 years ago.

Jan 30
58 min

Allegation 2, continued

Clarifying one additional point about Allegation 2 in less than ten minutes.

Dec 1 2025
8 min

Dismantling "Allegation 2"

So far, this podcast has considered the procedural flaws that marred the process that led to Francesca Gino's tenure being revoked. With this episode, we begin dismantlin

Nov 17 2025
59 min

How you know when a process has too many lawyers

In this second of two episodes interviewing Francesca, we cover the period from HBS' determination that she had committed academic misconduct through the University's dec

Sep 18 2025
1 h 17 min

How You Know a Business School is Not a Law School

In this first of two episodes interviewing Francesca, we cover a bit about the nature of her work, and then the period beginning from the charges being raised against her

Aug 21 2025
1 h 53 min

Introduction

Francesca Gino was a superstar at the Harvard Business School. This year, she was fired for academic misconduct. In this season, we'll explore that story through intervie

Aug 21 2025
24 min

Episode 8 - System Error

Lessig talks to Rob Reich, Jeremy M. Weinstein and Mehran Sahami about their new book, SYSTEM ERROR — which unpacks the effect of technology on culture and policy, and re

Nov 9 2021
1 h 16 min

Episode 7 - David Vine

American University Professor David Vine has developed a powerful critique of the war mentality that America takes for granted. We argue about whether we should be a "wel

Sep 30 2021
1 h 22 min

Episode 6 - Daniel Immerwahr

A discussion with Daniel Immerwahr about his book, How to Hide An Empire. The United States is not comprised solely of states. As well as states, our nation includes terr

Sep 23 2021
1 h 01 min

Episode 5 - Zephyr Teachout

A discussion with Zephyr Teachout about her book, Break 'Em Up. Zephyr is the most important thinker on the Democratic left. This conversation continues from the last abo

Sep 16 2021
1 h 16 min

Episode 4 - Barry Lynn

A discussion with Barry Lynn about his new book, Liberty from All Masters. There is a kind of competitive market that the American story presumes — competitive, every act

Sep 9 2021
1 h 10 min

Episode 3 - Stephen Kinzer

A discussion with Stephen Kinzer about his book, Overthrow. Overthrow tells the story of the many times the United States has intervened directly and militarily to change

Sep 2 2021
1 h 24 min

Episode 2 - Edward Snowden

A discussion with Edward Snowden about his new book, Permanent Record. In 2013, Snowden revealed to the world the extent of the US government's mass surveillance program.

Aug 26 2021
1 h 47 min

Episode 1 - Andrew Bacevich

A discussion with Andrew Bacevich about his new book, After the Apocolypse. Bacevich is America's most thoughtful conservative skeptic about the scope of America's milita

Aug 19 2021
1 h 06 min

Season 2 Intro

This is an introduction of this season and ideas that the season will explore. Anti-empire, privacy, and competition: these ideas, or as I will call them, values, represe

Aug 12 2021
10 min

EP 4 - Case Closed

In a surprising twist, the New York Times changed its headline and lede. In this episode, Lessig explains the decision to withdraw the case. 

Jul 1 2020
32 min

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