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Technology · Benedict Evans, Toni Cowan-Brown

Another Podcast

by Benedict Evans, Toni Cowan-Brown

If you're looking for another over-scripted and edited podcast, this is not it. But if you want to listen to honest and unfiltered discussions about the latest in tech and its impact on society, welcome, you have come to the right place. This is Another Podcast where two friends and colleagues discuss their overlapping experiences and perspectives on what happens in technology. We might know some of the same things, yet we also have different backgrounds and expertise, or at least, we ask different questions. Benedict Evans has worked in equity research, strategy and venture capital and owns lots of old phones; Toni Cowan-Brown works at the intersection of tech, policy and politics.

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Looking for friction

How much consumer spending and how many business models are locked up by friction, inertia and complexity that AI might reduce or remove? How many businesses depend on ma

Sep 20
21 min

AI deployment

Every big company deployed Copilot. Hmm. That doesn't seem to have changed everything, so now what? How does this work, how do change management and 'AI deploycos' turn o

Aug 16
25 min

Most people and companies aren't tool-builders

AI makes it easy for anyone to build tools to automate their work... except most people and most companies aren't tool-builders, don't think like that, and can't and won'

Jul 24
18 min

Token pricing

AI is in a supply crunch today, but what happens when we come out of it? How and where will supply, demand, price, capacity and capex get back into equilibrium? Today, mo

Jul 15
23 min

The spring updates on AI

Twice a year, Benedict publishes a big presentation exploring macro and strategic trends in the tech industry, and the latest came out a few weeks ago. These days, that m

Jun 5
39 min

What jobs are AI jobs?

How do you know what AI will do to your industry? Your company? Your job? The easy, obvious answer is to add up the things you do that can be automated, but it’s probably

Apr 16
29 min

The end of the network effect

OpenAI has some big questions. It doesn’t have unique tech. It has a big user base, but with limited engagement and stickiness and no network effect. The incumbents have

Feb 28
26 min

AI and SaaS

What does AI do to software? What's a more interesting answer than 'no, this won't kill SaaS'? And what comes after the euphoria? 

Feb 23
31 min

How does OpenAI compete?

OpenAI has all the mindshare and 800m weekly active users, but the models remain commodities and platforms with their own distribution are coming up fast. How will it com

Dec 20 2025
20 min

The AI presentation

It's time for Benedict's annual Tech Trends presentation. What's new, what's boring, what are the new questions? 

Nov 16 2025
38 min

A double episode: AI differentiation, and Apple does F1

How can billion dollar chatbots differentiate when they're all doing the same thing in the same way? - and - Why is tech into F1, and why is F1 into tech? 

Aug 21 2025
46 min

Looking for AI strategies

It's easy to say what tech companies want from AI, but much harder to talk about the product strategy - they're all pretty much the same. "Just build a better model!" Whe

Apr 5 2025
27 min

Ai eats the world

For the past decade, Benedict has given an annual presentation on the state of technology, and he did the latest at Slush in Helsinki last month. In this episode we discu

Dec 8 2024
42 min

From SAAS software to Formula 1

Benedict went from being a consultant to an analyst to having his own business, but in essence, he's always been an analyst. Toni went from policy to consultancy, then fr

Oct 11 2024
45 min

Google's Antitrust case

A quarter century after 'don't be evil', a judge has found that Google is abusing its monopoly in search. But no-one knows what happens next, and whether this ruling will

Aug 19 2024
37 min

The AI summer

As we go into the summer, we know a lot more about generative AI than we did six or nine months ago - or at least, we have better questions. 

Jul 1 2024
37 min

Looking for AI use-cases

Generative AI is the thing, and all new software will be built around it. But while everyone is experimenting and some people are getting huge value out of ChatGPT or Mid

Apr 1 2024
31 min

Tiktok, Apple and Temu

Will the US finally break up Tiktok? Will the EU break up the App Store? And why does Temu want to keep your orders under $800?

Mar 13 2024
34 min

Google Gemini and AI bias

Are there questions that an AI chatbot shouldn't answer? Should it always give the 'right answer'? Are you sure? Google has egg on its face this week, but this isn't easy

Mar 3 2024
32 min

Breaking and remaking media

We’re past peak TV, the charts are curving down, and Hollywood is pretty sure that streaming was a bad idea. On the other hand, music is growing strongly and might even e

Feb 16 2024
39 min

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I enjoy learning from both hosts on a variety of subjects. But, please attend to audio hygiene issues! Ep 16 (big preso) had microphone impacts that sounded like bombs going off while I listened! Wasn’t expecting that.... Ep 17 (Amazon) has mobile phone interference. Kindly switch to airplane mode before recording... thanks

CM3392 · Feb 2021

This podcast would be significantly more interesting if Benedict weren’t constantly interrupting Toni to ramble on for minutes without letting her speak. Check out other popular tech podcasts, like Sharp Tech, which have a much healthier co-host relationship.

steamboat willie 420 · Apr 2025

Ben Evans has some good takes on tech. Pithy one-liners like “Amazon is a bundle” and “AI is software that doesn’t work yet”. Toni is a pretty poor podcaster host but a good foil for Ben. Generally worth a listen and as an aside it’s amusing to see another one of those guys who can’t seem to stand Elon Musk.

Riemann8 · Oct 2023

I think I could appreciate the insights and commentary Benedict provides, but it’s annoying listening to someone's voie for 30-45 minutes with an ever-present echo. Please try improving the audio quality (Toni sounds great).

dubkat · Feb 2021

This isn’t a review of Toni Cowan Brown because, well, I’ve scarcely heard her speak on this pod. She is reduced to a supporting role of hmms and hahs while Ben Evans drones on and on, churning out the same repetitive catchphrases. Some of them might seem like insights at first, but they dissolve under any kind of examination, and in the meantime, oh goodness, did he just say that five more times? Yep. Did he just talk over the top of her when she tried to steer him away from the same old hobbyhorse? Yep, again. I kept listening for a while in case her murmurs were a sort of coded message — “Help I am being held captive in a podcast studio by a relentless mansplainer” — but if that’s the case, I couldn’t decrypt them. I’m sorry Toni, hope you’re okay.

Lesley Grimshaw · Feb 2021

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