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Natural Sciences · Justin Leaf & Joe Cihon

It Has To Be Said

by Justin Leaf & Joe Cihon

Each week Justin and Joe will discuss topics that are pertinent to behavior analysis and intervention for individuals diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder. They will have an open and frank discussion of the issue and then engage with audience members about the topic. Keep an eye out for special guest appearances from time to time!

Latest episodes

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The Artful Practitioner: Behavioral Artistry in ABA

Previously known as Rants with Justin & Joe, It Has to be Said with Justin & Joe is a monthly podcast during which Justin, Joe, and their guests discuss topics that are p

Oct 17 2024
1 h 02 min

Another Brick in the Wall: Challenges and Opportunities in Higher Education and Behavior Analysis

Previously known as Rants with Justin & Joe, It Has to be Said with Justin & Joe is a monthly podcast during which Justin, Joe, and their guests discuss topics that are p

Sep 19 2024
59 min

A Mentors Journey

Previously known as Rants with Justin & Joe, It Has to be Said with Justin & Joe is a monthly podcast during which Justin, Joe, and their guests discuss topics that are p

Aug 13 2024
58 min

A Lifelong Journey: ABA and Support for Autistic Adults

Previously known as Rants with Justin & Joe, It Has to be Said with Justin & Joe is a monthly podcast during which Justin, Joe, and their guests discuss topics that are p

Jul 18 2024
56 min

Are Emergent Relations Really Emergent?

Previously known as Rants with Justin & Joe, It Has to be Said with Justin & Joe is a monthly podcast during which Justin, Joe, and their guests discuss topics that are p

Jun 20 2024
54 min

Progressive ABA Curriculum Considerations

Progressive ABA Curriculum Considerations

Apr 30 2024
1 h 05 min

The PBAAC: Performance-Based Certification in Progressive ABA

During this episode we chat with Jessica Piazza and John McEachin. Jessica is the Project Manager for Certification for the Progressive Behavior Analyst Autism Council® (

Mar 21 2024
57 min

Not the inverse of Social Invalidity

During this episode we had the privilege to talk with Malika Pritchett. Malika is an Assistant Professor of Practice in the Department of Applied Behavioral Science at th

Feb 22 2024
58 min

Let’s Talk About Sex – Part Deux

During this episode we had the privilege to talk with Jessica Cauchi. Jess is the director at Atlas Behavior Consultation and has over 25 years of experience using applie

Jan 18 2024
1 h 01 min

Let’s Talk About Sex

This month's episode will welcome Dr. Bobby Newman and Jessica Cauchi to discuss the topic of Let's Talk About Sex. Affectionately known as the Dark Overlord of ABA, Bobb

Jul 1 2021
58 min

Designing Curriculum Vol. 2

The 8th and final chapter of our second season is bringing back Christine Milne, Jeremy Leaf, and Jonathan Rafuse for another round of curriculum discussion! The panelist

May 21 2021
59 min

What Does it Mean to be an Effective Advocate?

Chapter 7 of Rants with Justin and Joe will feature special guest Amanda N Kelly (aka Behaviorbabe). Justin, Joe, and Amanda will chat about what it means to be an advoca

May 11 2021
56 min

Clinical Supervision: Are you a supervisor, mentor, case manager, trainer or just directing the technician?

Chapter 6 of Rants with Justin and Joe will feature special guest Melissa Saunders. During this Rants, Justin, Joe, and Melissa will discuss the complicated role of a beh

Apr 24 2021
58 min

Past, Present, & Future: Experiences of Behavior Analysis Graduate Students

Chapter 5 of Rants with Justin and Joe will feature special guests Anna Dotson, Asim Javed, Danielle LaFrance, & Wes Lowery. Each of the guests will provide their unique

Mar 25 2021
55 min

The 2022 Ethics Code and Changes from Current Day

Chapter 4 of Rants with Justin and Joe will feature special guests, Mary Jane Weiss and Thomas Zane!! Justin, Joe, Mary Jane, and Tom will discuss the recent update to th

Mar 16 2021
1 h 01 min

The Value of Mentorship as a Leadership Skill in Behavior Analysis

Season 3, Chapter 3 of Rants with Justin and Joe will feature special guests, Daniel Mendoza, Steve Foreman, and Sharon Trew! Justin, Joe, Daniel, Steve, and Sharon will

Feb 27 2021
1 h 04 min

My Experience with Autism 2021

The second chapter of our third season will feature a special guest appearance by Nicholas Liu, a former client at Autism Partnership Hong Kong. Justin and Joe will talk

Feb 12 2021
54 min

3 of 3 Responding to recent critiques about ABA found on social media

The first chapter of our third season will feature special guests Drs. John McEachin and Ron Leaf! During this chapter Justin and Joe will talk with John and Ron about th

Jan 29 2021
41 min

2 of 3 Responding to recent critiques about ABA found on social media

The first chapter of our third season will feature special guests Drs. John McEachin and Ron Leaf! During this chapter Justin and Joe will talk with John and Ron about th

Jan 29 2021
1 h 05 min

1 of 3 Responding to recent critiques about ABA found on social media

The first chapter of our third season will feature special guests Drs. John McEachin and Ron Leaf! During this chapter Justin and Joe will talk with John and Ron about th

Jan 29 2021
57 min

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