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Has affirmative action gone too far? Should we abolish internet anonymity? Is liberal hypocrisy worth defending? Welcome to The Argument, a weekly podcast from Jerusalem Demsas and Matthew Yglesias, where two friends argue about politics, policy, and whatever else is on their minds. This is a debate show for people who want the nitty-gritty without the typical screaming matches or softball interviews. Each week, one host argues a distinctive point of view — armed with facts and research, not just pundit bluster — and then Matthew and Jerusalem hash it out. New episodes post every Thursday. You can find The Argument on Substack, YouTube, and wherever you get your podcasts. www.theargumentmag.com

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Are we on the road to serfdom?

For this month’s book club, Jerusalem Demsas and Matt Yglesias read Friedrich von Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom,” the 1944 book that argued central planning inevitably lea

Sep 17
1 h 35 min

How 9/11 changed American politics forever

As the 25th anniversary of the September 11 attacks approaches, Jerusalem Demsas and Matt Yglesias look back at the day itself, the warning signs that preceded it, and th

Sep 10
1 h 37 min

Nate Silver on why the center-left is losing

Nate Silver thinks the center-left might be right about a lot of policy questions, but they're still losing the political argument. He joins Jerusalem Demsas, Matt Yglesi

Sep 3
1 h 26 min

Derek Thompson on the antisocial century

Americans are spending more time alone than ever before. Derek Thompson, author of "The Anti-Social Century" and co-author of Abundance, joins Jerusalem Demsas and Matthe

Aug 27
1 h 16 min

Are elites just whoever you don’t like?

Who actually counts as an elite in America? The Argument ran its own poll on elite perception, and the results scramble a lot of conventional wisdom. Billionaires and ce

Aug 20
1 h 14 min

What's wrong with Bowling Alone?

Is there really a loneliness crisis? Jerusalem Demsas and Matt Yglesias read Robert Putnam's Bowling Alone, the 2000 classic that diagnosed America's collapse in communi

Aug 13
1 h 23 min

#MeToo didn’t go far enough

Many people say the #MeToo movement went too far. Jerusalem Demsas disagrees: she thinks it didn't go far enough. Matt Yglesias wants to talk about what the movement actu

Aug 6
1 h 17 min

You don't actually want to buy a house

Most Americans still see buying a home as the ultimate financial goal, but Jerusalem Demsas thinks homeownership is overrated. Matt Yglesias, a proud homeowner, disagrees

Jul 30
57 min

Why AI might not replace us after all

Most Americans fear that AI is about to cause widespread job losses, so Matt Yglesias and Jerusalem Demsas brought in their first-ever guest, Timothy B. Lee of the Unders

Jul 23
1 h 05 min

What AOC and Bernie Sanders get wrong about the oligarchy

Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have been packing arenas on their "Fighting Oligarchy" tour, but Matt Yglesias doesn't think the oligarchy is real. Jerusalem

Jul 16
1 h 09 min

Was Jane Jacobs the first NIMBY?

For this month's book club, Jerusalem Demsas and Matt Yglesias read The Death and Life of Great American Cities, the 1961 classic that changed how everyone thinks about n

Jul 9
1 h 26 min

Is assimilation racist?

Should immigrants have to assimilate? Jerusalem Demsas and Matt Yglesias take on the growing idea that immigrants shouldn't have to assimilate to belong in America. Jerus

Jul 2
1 h 12 min

The Biden legacy: A ranking of failures

The Bidens are back in the news, thanks to Jill Biden’s new book and Joe’s apparent difficulties raising money for his presidential library. So Jerusalem Demsas and Matth

Jun 25
1 h 18 min

Andrew Tate, Dan Bilzerian, and the death of romance

Is online dating advice actually making it harder to find love?  This week, Jerusalem Demsas and Matthew Yglesias wade into the world of online dating advice, from the m

Jun 18
1 h 04 min

How environmentalists lost the plot

Is modern environmentalism anti-progress? This week, Jerusalem Demsas and Matthew Yglesias read Rachel Carson's Silent Spring – the book that launched the modern environ

Jun 11
1 h 12 min

Do we need to build God to cure cancer?

AI companies keep promising it will cure cancer. But what does that actually mean — and would an AI capable of doing it be one we'd want to live alongside? Jerusalem Dems

Jun 4
58 min

Why is crime falling everywhere?

America is on track for its lowest homicide year since 1900, but nobody seems to be celebrating. Matt Yglesias and Jerusalem Demsas debate why crime has dropped so dramat

May 28
53 min

Why Democrats and Republicans want you to pay $50,000 for a car

This week on The Argument, Jerusalem Demsas and Matthew Yglesias debate the tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles. Jerusalem argues that Americans should have access to ch

May 21
57 min

Did Joe Biden really kill Spirit Airlines?

Spirit Airlines is dead and the right, true to form, is blaming Joe Biden.  The immediate cause of Spirit's demise is pretty clear: the war with Iran spiked jet fuel cos

May 14
1 h 08 min

Boy moms and Nazi POWs: how "The Feminine Mystique" changed feminism

Betty Friedan thought Korean POWs were dying in captivity because their mothers were housewives. She thought boy moms were making their sons gay. She wrote a whole chapte

May 7
1 h 05 min

What listeners say

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I appreciate the time spent getting deeper into a single topic per episode instead of rushing through numerous items. There have been several thought provoking conversations and the book read episodes have been interesting too. Please please please slow down. It too often sounds like a debate club participant rushing to score points. It’s not necessary and really off-putting. I shouldn’t have to stop the podcast for a mental break because words are flying so fast. Just talk, don’t slam through every sentence. Speaking super fast doesn’t make your point better, it makes it harder to follow.

Oscaraa3 · Aug 2026

I was really excited when the current iteration of this pod became a thing because I’m a very long time fan of both hosts. Topic selection and substance of conversations were unsurprisingly great from day 1. A somewhat unexpected development over the past 4 months I’ve listened is that I find myself laughing quite a bit listening. This podcast migrating from the commentary to the commentary/humor category for me was cemented listening to the 7/23 AI episode with Yglesias bringing up his affection for the Chili’s in Bangor (which was funny) and Jerusalem saying “that’s not very on brand for you” (both funny and objectively true)

Saraelzp · Jul 2026

Update: subtracting two stars because Demsas is magic on her own, but Demsas/Yglesias is just fine. Not sure Demsas would see this as a compliment, but I see a lot of similarities between what she’d doing at The Argument and what Bari Weiss accomplished at TFP. Both are renewal projects for the American journalistic landscape, and both have me very excited about the future of American media. Recently, Bari Weiss identified the need for a loud, charismatic voice to represent American centrists like myself. Then this podcast appeared shortly thereafter! It’s left leaning, but fair-minded about conservative ideas and policies. I love this podcast!

quitemichael · Jul 2026

Jerusalem and Matt cover a range of interesting topics and go deeper than most other shows while still keeping the discussion lively and approachable.

Brian1093 · May 2026

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