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Has affirmative action gone too far? Should we abolish internet anonymity? Is liberal hypocrisy worth defending? Welcome to The Argument, a weekly podcast from Jerusalem Demsas and Matthew Yglesias, where two friends argue about politics, policy, and whatever else is on their minds. This is a debate show for people who want the nitty-gritty without the typical screaming matches or softball interviews. Each week, one host argues a distinctive point of view — armed with facts and research, not just pundit bluster — and then Matthew and Jerusalem hash it out. New episodes post every Thursday. You can find The Argument on Substack, YouTube, and wherever you get your podcasts. www.theargumentmag.com
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I appreciate the time spent getting deeper into a single topic per episode instead of rushing through numerous items. There have been several thought provoking conversations and the book read episodes have been interesting too. Please please please slow down. It too often sounds like a debate club participant rushing to score points. It’s not necessary and really off-putting. I shouldn’t have to stop the podcast for a mental break because words are flying so fast. Just talk, don’t slam through every sentence. Speaking super fast doesn’t make your point better, it makes it harder to follow.
I was really excited when the current iteration of this pod became a thing because I’m a very long time fan of both hosts. Topic selection and substance of conversations were unsurprisingly great from day 1. A somewhat unexpected development over the past 4 months I’ve listened is that I find myself laughing quite a bit listening. This podcast migrating from the commentary to the commentary/humor category for me was cemented listening to the 7/23 AI episode with Yglesias bringing up his affection for the Chili’s in Bangor (which was funny) and Jerusalem saying “that’s not very on brand for you” (both funny and objectively true)
Update: subtracting two stars because Demsas is magic on her own, but Demsas/Yglesias is just fine. Not sure Demsas would see this as a compliment, but I see a lot of similarities between what she’d doing at The Argument and what Bari Weiss accomplished at TFP. Both are renewal projects for the American journalistic landscape, and both have me very excited about the future of American media. Recently, Bari Weiss identified the need for a loud, charismatic voice to represent American centrists like myself. Then this podcast appeared shortly thereafter! It’s left leaning, but fair-minded about conservative ideas and policies. I love this podcast!
Jerusalem and Matt cover a range of interesting topics and go deeper than most other shows while still keeping the discussion lively and approachable.
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