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Music History · Andrew Gill and Leah Payne

Rock That Doesn't Roll: The Story of Christian Music

by Andrew Gill and Leah Payne

Rock That Doesn’t Roll looks at how Christian music shaped the world we're living in now by telling individual stories from the peak era of the contemporary Christian music industry. In the 80s, 90s and early 2000s CCM grew into a billion dollar business that affected millions of evangelical young people. Through interviews with artists, industry players and average fans Dr. Leah Payne and Andrew Gill trace the long-lasting personal, cultural and political impact of sometimes cringe-worthy music. Expect hilarious moments and heartfelt yearning, purity culture and conservative politics- all in equal measure. Whether you’ve deconstructed, come out or renegotiated your faith, we hope you feel seen. If you’ve never given Christian music any thought beyond a punchline, we hope you’ll gain a deeper understanding of a subculture that’s shaping the world around us now. Join our Patreon or Buy Us A Coffee. Or buy yourself a coffee from Larry's Coffee and support the show.

Chart trend

Position in the Music History chart (US), last 90 days.

#9
all-time peak
2
days in the top 10 since Nov 2024

Latest episodes

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Rewind: SIC Innovations (ft. Brad Onishi and DL Mayfield)

For 1990s evangelical teens, punk, hardcore, and ska were a gateway to a passionate, edgy way to express their Christianity outside the mainstream. But was the music and

Sep 2
45 min

The Vampire Weekend to Tooth and Nail Connection (ft. Adam Voith)

Adam Voith began his career in the music industry alongside the early bands riding the Tooth and Nail boom, blurring the line between Christian rock and the secular music

Aug 19
1 h 04 min

The Luxury of Sacred Harp (ft. Matt Hinton)

Matt Hinton has only been a member of Luxury for 27 years, so he's the new guy in the band. He's also a documentary filmmaker with two feature length films to his name: A

Aug 5
55 min

When DIY Music Met Youth Group Kids (ft. Randall Stephens and Scott Hatch)

Scott Hatch grew up Methodist, but learned about DIY music at his college radio station. When he started his label, Burnt Toast Vinyl, in 1996 he put out bands that had a

Jul 22
1 h 03 min

From Politically Incorrect to Ye Gods (ft. Scott Carter)

Scott Carter is the host of Ye Gods, a podcast and public radio show that explores codes of religious, cultural and secular conduct with notable guests like Martin Short,

Jul 8
1 h 17 min

Our God Is An Awesome God To Hang With (ft. Emperor X)

Chad Matheny is better known by his folk punk band name, Emperor X. His 12th full length album, Unified Field, is out on June 26 and features a single called "Praise Jesu

Jun 24
50 min

The Supertones' Progressive Neighbor (ft. Jewly Hight)

Jewly Hight is a noted music journalist best known for her work with NPR Music, Nashville Public Radio, The Bitter Southerner and more. She's also a friend of Leah's from

Jun 10
1 h 17 min

Making the Invisible Visible (ft. Flamy Grant)

Flamy Grant may be the world's only Christian drag queen songwriter. She's one of the few queer artists to ever top the Christian music category in the iTunes Store. She'

May 27
1 h 02 min

The World's Most Outrageous Jesus Freak (ft. Nina Hagen)

Nina Hagen is a true legend. She's considered an icon of German culture. And she's known as "the Godmother of German Punk." But our interview with her revealed that she a

May 13
53 min

The Reverse CCM Crossovers of 1985 (ft. Tim Dillinger)

Tim Dillinger returns to the podcast to continue our examination of 1985 as a pivotal year in Christian music. This time his focus is on artists who tried to break into t

Apr 29
54 min

When The Songs Aren't Enough (ft. Rosie Thomas)

Rosie Thomas is a singer-songwriter who came up alongside artists like Damien Jurado, Pedro The Lion and Sufjan Stevens. She was one of the first folk artists signed to S

Apr 15
1 h 26 min

The Normals Approach to Christian Music (ft. Andrew Osenga)

In the late 1990's Andrew Osenga's high school band caught the ear of a member of Whiteheart. That led Osenga to Nashville and his band, The Normals, releasing three albu

Apr 1
55 min

What's Funny About Failing at Christian Rock? (ft. Jeremy Alder)

Jeremy Alder is a comedian who mines his life as a homeschooled youth group kid growing up in Texas for jokes that will probably be very relatable for our audience. We ta

Mar 18
1 h 04 min

Sneaking D'Angelo Riffs Into Worship (ft. Sam Sanders)

Sam Sanders is the host of The Sam Sanders Show from KCRW. He was a founding host of The NPR Politics Podcast and It's Been A Minute from NPR. Sam grew up in the Black Pe

Mar 4
59 min

Season 4 Trailer

Rock That Doesn't Roll is coming back with Season 4 launching on March 4th. We'll be publishing every other week after that.  Do you have a Christian rock story to tell?

Feb 18
2 min

Jason Martin of Starflyer 59 (From Transmissions with Jason Woodbury)

This episode is a feed drop from Transmissions with Jason Woodbury from Aquarium Drunkard. Here's their original show notes: This week, we have an exceedingly rare inter

Jan 28
1 h 06 min

Big Freedia: Is Twerking Next to Godliness? (From The Sam Sanders Show)

Introducing The Sam Sanders Show from KCRW This episode is a perfect fit for Rock That Doesn't Roll. Big Freedia is best known as the Queen of Bounce, but her new album

Jan 7
49 min

The Christmas Special 2025 (ft. Kelsey McGinnis and Daniel Gill)

It's our third annual Christmas special! Leah and Andrew are joined by returning guests Kelsey Kramer McGinnis and Daniel Gill. Everyone brought a Christmas song or two t

Dec 19 2025
1 h 02 min

John Darnielle of The Mountain Goats on Sound Opinions

Co-host and producer Andrew Gill's day job is with Sound Opinions. He recently interviewed John Darnielle of The Mountain Goats, so we're doing a feed drop here of that e

Dec 10 2025
1 h 06 min

Introducing: When We All Get To Heaven

Please enjoy this episode from a podcast we love: When We All Get To Heaven.  To share a song pick for the Rock That Doesn't Roll Christmas Special, call ‪(629) 204-4264

Nov 26 2025
27 min

Chart positions

Where Rock That Doesn't Roll: The Story of Christian Music ranks today in each Apple Podcasts chart (US, Sep 11, 2026).

#65 ▼ 14 Music History US

What listeners say

A curated, balanced selection of Apple Podcasts reviews.

This is one of my favorite podcasts. I really enjoy the way they allow the artists to tell their stories and honestly express their faith journey. I love remembering going to the Christian bookstore to find the newest Michael W. Smith, DC Talk, Petra, and DeGarmo & Key albums! Those were special days. The DC Talk episode was a classic!

jmart901 · Aug 2024

What a great podcast! Now I feel like I’m not alone. There are dozens of us!!! Seriously though, I have really enjoyed revisiting Christian bookstore days and the evangelical bubble. I’m surprised to hear so many voices with similar experiences. This podcast explores the good, the bad, and the ugly of it all and the profound ways that it shaped us. If you grew up in a household (and church culture) that cautiously endorsed Christian music and tried to protect your teenage years from the evils of secular rock, this a podcast for you!

Father Olachea · Jul 2024

As a former Evangelical and a former “book store guy,” it was therapeutic to hear this podcast talk about experiences that I thought I was all alone in!

mrmccown · Jul 2024

Rock That Doesn’t Roll scratches a very particular itch for those of us with a deep history in CCM. They tell the stories of my early experiences with Christian music and the church and they do it so well! The show is full of nostalgic music clips and has great production. What I appreciate most is how respectfully they handle sometimes delicate subject matter.

RadioOwl · Jun 2024

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