Third Loop

Ep. #11, Durable Systems, Disposable Code with Chad Fowler

On episode 11 of Third Loop, the Progressive Delivery team sits down with Chad Fowler to explore regenerative software and what architecture looks like when AI makes code

Ep. #10, The System Is More Than the Code with Charity Majors

On episode 10 of Third Loop, the Progressive Delivery team speaks with Honeycomb co-founder and CTO Charity Majors about observability, AI, and the changing economics of

Ep. #9, Constraints, Creativity, and Competition

On episode 9 of Third Loop, the Progressive Delivery team explores the complicated relationship between AI, automation, and human creativity. Kim Harrison, Adam Zimman, a

Ep. #8, Sounds Like Alignment with Melinda Fekete

On episode 8 of Third Loop, the Progressive Delivery team sits down with Melinda Fekete to discuss FeatureOps, developer experience, and modern software delivery. The con

Ep. #7, Exploring DORA and Progressive Delivery with Nathen Harvey

On episode 7 of Third Loop, the Progressive Delivery team speaks with Nathen Harvey about the intersection of AI, DevOps, and user-centric software development. Together,

Ep. #6, The Weird Edges of Taste with Betty Junod

On episode 6 of Third Loop, Kim Harrison, Adam Zimman, James Governor, and Heidi Waterhouse sit down with Betty Junod. Together, they explore how agentic coding tools are

Ep. #5, Free, Like Puppies: The Real Cost of AI Code

On episode 5 of Third Loop, Heidi Waterhouse, James Governor, Adam Zimman, and Kim Harrison dig into the hype around AI-generated code and ask a deceptively simple questi

Ep. #4, Signals and Levers with Elisabeth Hendrickson and Joel Tosi

On episode 4 of Third Loop, Elisabeth Hendrickson and Joel Tosi join the hosts to discuss systems thinking, software delivery, and why organizations often solve the wrong

Ep. #3, Give It a Name: Why Software Needs a Third Loop

In this episode, the hosts unpack the thinking behind the name Third Loop and what it represents. Building on ideas from their book Progressive Delivery, they explore the

Ep. #2, Features and Futures with Kent Beck

On episode 2 of Third Loop, Kim, Heidi, and Adam sit down with Kent Beck. They explore how Progressive Delivery extends ideas from Agile and Extreme Programming by focusi

Ep. #1, The Story Behind Progressive Delivery

In this debut episode of Third Loop, James Governor, Kim Harrison, Heidi Waterhouse, and Adam Zimman explore how the concept of Progressive Delivery emerged from real-wor