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the tortoise & the hare

by brooke & ben mcalary

we all contain multitudes — fast & slow, hard & soft, open & closed — so let’s talk about them. a podcast from the creators of The Slow Home (RIP), each episode is a human-made, homegrown, perfectly imperfect conversation about life's either/or's and the vast grey area in between. brookemcalary.substack.com

Latest episodes

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hope & despair

In this week's episode, Brooke & Ben explore the duality of hope & despair. How do we find hope in the face of despair? What makes hope courageous? Is despair the coward’

Nov 11
58 min

selfish & selfless

In this week's episode, Brooke & Ben explore the duality of selfish & selfless. They get a little word-nerdy as they look at the different definitions and explore the tra

Oct 28
49 min

clean & dirty

Whether it’s food, beauty products, or the state of our home, describing something as ‘clean’ also implies there is ‘dirty’, an idea that carries a lot of guilt and shame

Oct 14
1 h 02 min

drunk & sober

Prompted by a listener question, this week’s episode is about Brooke and Ben’s relationship with alcohol and how it’s changed over the past five years. Brooke shares why

Sep 30
54 min

rigid & flexible | the tortoise & the hare

In today’s episode, Brooke and Ben dive into different ways of thinking — open and closed, fixed and fluid and whatever exists in between. They discuss their different ap

Sep 16
51 min

wrinkles & pimples | the tortoise & the hare

When it comes to age and youth, body image takes a beating at both ends. Can we find a gentler way through the years? In today’s show, Brooke and Ben discuss the duality

Sep 2
58 min

fast & slow | the tortoise & the hare

In the first episode of the tortoise & the hare, Ben and I revisit slow living one last time (no, really!) to see where we exist on the spectrum of speed today. Initiall

Aug 19
54 min

coming soon | the tortoise & the hare

Listen to the tortoise & the hare preview now. The first episode drops 20th August 2026! Fast and slow. Young and old. Hard and soft. Open and closed. Real and fake. Hid

Aug 6
4 min

A Fond Farewell: Episode 17

Instead of the usual conversation between Brooke and Ben, today's episode is simply a reading of the final ever edition of The Tortoise newsletter.  Take a listen, and

Aug 18 2024
8 min

Balance: Episode 16

A more accurate title for this episode might have been: The Myth of Work-Life Balance, because both Ben and Brooke think it’s fundamentally BS, but that was too long a ti

Jul 17 2024
54 min

Body image: Episode 15

In this month's episode, Brooke and Ben dig into the topic of body image. How do we see ourselves in the world? How does that inform our choices and beliefs? What inputs

Jun 19 2024
55 min

Body Image: Episode 15

In this month's episode, Brooke and Ben dig into the topic of body image. How do we see ourselves in the world? How does that inform our choices and beliefs? What inputs

Jun 19 2024
55 min

Pleasure: Episode 14

Pleasure. Just the word brings a little shiver to the spine, doesn't it? Defined as “a feeling or experience that involves enjoyment or satisfaction,” in today’s episode

May 15 2024
59 min

Pleasure: Episode 14

Pleasure. Just the word brings a little shiver to the spine, doesn't it? Defined as “a feeling or experience that involves enjoyment or satisfaction,” in today’s episod

May 15 2024
59 min

Soft life: Episode 13

If you spend any time on TikTok, you've probably seen the #softlife trend pop up over the past couple of years. Brooke and Ben aren't on TikTok, so are late to the party

Apr 17 2024
57 min

Soft Life: Episode 13

If you spend any time on TikTok, you've probably seen the #softlife trend pop up over the past couple of years. Brooke and Ben aren't on TikTok, so are late to the party

Apr 17 2024
57 min

Curveballs: Episode 12

You know the feeling. Life is motoring on in much the way you expected it to, you’ve got plans, you’ve got goals and then — BAM — a curveball gets whacked your way. Sudde

Mar 20 2024
55 min

Curveballs: Episode 12

You know the feeling. Life is motoring on in much the way you expected it to, you’ve got plans, you’ve got goals and then — BAM — a curveball gets whacked your way. Sudde

Mar 20 2024
55 min

Joyful Living: Episode 11

Today’s episode is all about joyful living. What it is, what it isn’t, how to get more of it and how it differs from happiness. Stemming from Brooke's intention to try a

Feb 14 2024
58 min

Joyful Living: Episode 11

Today’s episode is all about joyful living. What it is, what it isn’t, how to get more of it and how it differs from happiness. Stemming from Brooke's intention to try

Feb 14 2024
58 min

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#70
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#70 ▲ 71 Philosophy US

What listeners say

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I have been listening to Brooke and Ben for years and I just adore their podcast in all the forms it has taken. I’ve read all of Brooke’s books and find myself returning to them when I need a reminder to be gentle with myself. I appreciate the honesty and openness with which they discuss the topics. Give them a listen, you won’t be sorry.

JAC thriver · Aug 2023

I am so happy to have found this podcast! Living a thoughtful, slowed-down life has been a goal and lifestyle for me and I feel like I have found my people! Today I grabbed my knitting and listened to this great conversation about 4 day work weeks and the 1% among other things. I’m looking forward to reading The Tortoise newsletter on Substack and listening to the podcast again next month.

Minniegreer · Apr 2023

I was a devoted listener to the Slow Home Podcast and I couldn’t be happier to have the McAlarys back for their new “plodcast”, The Tortoise. The unedited format is a breath of fresh air that invites me to slow down, sit down and listen...it really feels like I am curled up having a chat with friends. I listen to a few highly-produced, polished, current-events podcasts and while those have their own value, The Tortoise is not that. It is a chance to think, and smile, and breathe!

OKLemonade · Mar 2023

This one got me. The brutally raw honesty and pain Rebecca shared about her birth experience moved me in the deepest part of my soul. Though I didn’t have physical complications I did struggle emotionally. I shared her mother pain in an ancestral way, the shared dna of mothers and motherhood. Thank youRebecca for the courage to tell your story and thank you Brook for presenting it as always with respect and understanding.

mom's struggle sometimes · Dec 2021

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