The Other 22 Hours

Jim James on the illusion of arrival, healing the internal workhorse, and alien-mandated therapy.

As the frontman of Grammy-nominated rock band My Morning Jacket, Jim James has spent decades at the center of new alternative. His long list of achievements includes a so

Brandy Clark on standing out, surviving self doubt, and friendship bracelets.

We are often sold the myth that success cures insecurity. Brandy Clark joins us to unravel that narrative. Named one of the '"30 Greatest Living Songwriters" earlier this

Maggie Smith on self trust, moving beyond scarcity, and name-brand cereal.

What if the messiness of life isn’t an obstacle to making art, but the very material itself? In this reissued conversation from our archives, we sit down with New York Ti

Rodney Crowell on letting go of recognition, 40-year songs, and talking to trees.

With two Grammy Awards, 15 number-one singles, and a songwriting catalog recorded by legends like Emmylou Harris, Bob Seger, and Waylon Jennings, Nashville Songwriters Ha

Mary Gauthier on the business mindset of an artist, art as recovery, and owning a clam shack.

GRAMMY-nominated songwriter and author Mary Gauthier, whose songs have been recorded by everyone from Tim McGraw and Blake Shelton to Boy George and Jimmy Buffett, joins

Ruby Amanfu on guarding your creative energy force field, the illusion of major-label financials, and cooking dinner for Willie Nelson.

This week, we dive into our archives for this special reissue of our conversation with GRAMMY-nominated singer-songwriter, producer, activist, and chef Ruby Amanfu. Known

Yancey Strickler on artist power, interdependent networks, and a zip file worth thousands.

What happens when creative people stop looking for a seat at the table and build a table of their own? For generations society has treated an artist's life as an economic

Hrishikesh Hirway on creative wholeness, strategic dilettantism, and surrendering to sandpaper.

We often treat our creative identities like lanes, fearing that branching out looks like simple dilettantism. This week, we explore the delicate balance of identity and c

Amy Grant on unexpected healing, the invitation of aging, and craftopia.

What does it mean to inhabit a creative life when that container itself changes? We sit down with GRAMMY-nominated, multi-platinum crossover superstar Amy Grant. Having s

James Gardin on deconstructing the sync world, overcoming over-analysis, and the male affordable Lizzo.

How do you build a sustainable life around your art when the traditional definitions of success feel increasingly narrow? In this conversation, we sit down with musician,

Lukas Nelson on shedding expectations, the antidote to egos, and training like an Olympian.

It is easy to look at a lifetime spent traveling on a tour bus in a famous family and assume the creative path was completely clear. We sit down with GRAMMY-winning singe

Judy Collins on collective dreams, keeping the channel clear, and why artist's don't retire.

"We write to find out who we are." For over six decades, Judy Collins has been a pillar of American music: from GRAMMY awards, platinum records, and Oscar nominations, to

Annie & Cranston Clements on musical lineage, tour-life advocacy, and 150 hits of acid.

What does it mean to treat music not as a commodity, but as a multi-generational way of life? We sit down with father-daughter side musicians Cranston and Annie Clements.

Heather Mae on social justice songwriting, the hedonic treadmill, and hearing god during a massage.

We often look at an artist's career through the lens of industry accolades: the tours, the streaming numbers, the awards. But what happens when you intentionally dismantl

Matraca Berg on the Nashville Hit Machine, streaming economics, and getting busted by bro country.

We often treat commercial success as the final destination of a creative life, but for legendary songwriter Matraca Berg, it was just the first act. She was the first wom

Rob Moose on the feast-or-famine mindset, songs as love letters, and remaining child-like.

Behind nearly every influential indie-rock and pop record of the last 15 years has been the brilliant mind and hand of string arranger and multi-instrumentalist Rob Moose

Michaela Anne + Aaron Shafer-Haiss on intuition vs assumption, creative ownership, and vulnerability as a faucet.

To celebrate our 150th episode, we try a bit of an experiment: interviewing ourselves, for the first time. After nearly two decades of partnership, we examine the evoluti

Molly Tuttle on genre fluidity, artistic anxiety, and micro-managing travel routing.

Molly Tuttle has shared stages with Ringo Starr and Billy Strings, yet she still grapples with the unpredictable "ups and downs" of a musician's schedule, and the inheren

Asleep at the Wheel on artistic identity, the vow of poverty, and why the geographic imperative is BS.

Ray Benson is an absolute pillar of American music, a nine-time GRAMMY winner whose band, Asleep at the Wheel, has defined western swing for over half a century. In this

Nitty Gritty Dirt Band (Jeff Hanna) on a 60-year touring career, records with hair on them, and the joy in folding laundry.

As a founding member of the legendary Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and a three-time Grammy winner, Jeff Hanna has navigated nearly sixty years in the industry, which also inclu