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Design · Kevin Klinkenberg

The Messy City Podcast

by Kevin Klinkenberg

Embracing change, uncertainty and local initiative for our cities and towns kevinklinkenberg.substack.com

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Position in the Design chart (US), last 90 days.

#9
all-time peak
5
days in the top 10 since Nov 2024

Latest episodes

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Dissecting Euclid

Returning champion Aaron Lubeck joins me to discuss his exceptional piece called, “Revisiting Euclid v. Ambler at 100,” which he posted on his Substack “On Housing.” Aaro

Sep 1
1 h 04 min

Learning from Rocket City, USA

Architect, Author, Photographer and New Urbanist Steve Mouzon joins me to tell his story about the emergence of New Urbanism in a location that many would consider unlike

Aug 25
1 h 00 min

Overcoming the Fear-Industrial Complex

We bring back my brother Dean on this episode, to talk about how we often let our fears overrun our lives, and how to get beyond them. Dean is not just one of my favorite

Aug 12
1 h 03 min

Rethinking Infrastructure Finance

It’s very easy for all of us to get caught up in status quo bias. We live the way we do, it must be fine, right? The way things are surely is the way they’ve been for a v

Aug 5
1 h 08 min

Is the Housing "Crisis" Real?

I get personal in this episode, in order to ask questions about the nature of what is called the “housing crisis.” Are we all just doom-pilling way too much? As a case s

Jul 28
44 min

How to Scale Change with Housing

Eric Kronberg is back again, to dive deeper into the topics of housing choice, scale and essentially - what works and what doesn’t. Eric’s firm, Kronberg Urbanists & Arch

Jun 23
50 min

Midtown KC, Unfiltered

Stand by for a very Kansas City-focused episode. For this one, Abby Newsham and I were invited to record a live podcast during KC Design Week, at the Kansas City Art Inst

May 19
1 h 36 min

Route 66 - America's Main Street

The tale of Route 66 might seem like just a tale of freedom on the road, the great American desire for exploration, and our love affair with the car. And it is all that.

May 12
50 min

Chicken on a Bridge

Sometimes a local story is just that - a local story. And sometimes it transcends. Yes, Mike Zeller is very much rooted in Kansas City, and this is a very local story abo

May 6
44 min

Seeking Faith-Based Solutions to Housing

Every so often, an idea comes along that makes so much sense it makes you wonder - why haven’t we been talking more about this? In that vein comes today’s guest, Eli Smit

Apr 30
52 min

You Can Just Do Things

Zach Molzer is 25, and he wants you to know that’s an advantage. His team is young, energetic, and optimistic. His story of quickly becoming a developer with impact in Ka

Apr 14
41 min

Rowhouses for America

Bobby Fijan doesn’t want you to give up on families living in cities. One thing he said in this episode that really stuck out with me, “People tolerate disorder less when

Apr 7
49 min

The Case for Optimism and Beauty

Social media is an unlikely place to find truly positive and optimistic people. But occasionally you find one. Today’s example: the charming and determined Coby Lefkowitz

Mar 31
1 h 08 min

The Best Life Hack, Ever

We take a break from our routine conversations today to have some fun, and talk about the wonders of travel hacking with my sister, Cindy Weir. Cindy epitomizes how to re

Mar 17
50 min

Do our communities need better hardware or better software?

Longtime friend-of-the-pod Abby Newsham returns, on her hiatus from the popular Upzoned podcast. Abby is a practicing planner in Kansas City with Olsson Associates. Abby

Mar 3
1 h 07 min

What is a Starter Home?

One of the perils of being in a profession or field for many years is how you see beyond simple dualities. By that I mean, you hear people argue confidently and vehementl

Feb 10
44 min

A Conversation with Ross Chapin

One of the great trends in housing from recent decades has been the revived interest in micro-communities, especially those organized around shared courtyards. I first st

Feb 2
1 h 07 min

Reality in the Rust Belt

Jason Segedy returns for his third appearance on the show, as Jason now works in North Canton, Ohio as the Deputy Director of Administration. Jason has also gotten more a

Jan 27
1 h 02 min

You Have Agency

After three years of podcasting, I share some thoughts on why I do this, and what I hope to achieve and share. Maybe you like it, maybe you don’t - either is fine, really

Jan 20
43 min

Transforming Your Own Backyard

For a guy that never intended to be a developer, Steve Nygren is having a remarkable impact on development and so much more. Steve led the development of Serenbe, which i

Dec 30 2025
1 h 01 min

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Where The Messy City Podcast ranks today in each Apple Podcasts chart (US, Sep 11, 2026).

#15 ▼ 5 Design US

What listeners say

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I love the host’s bias towards action over policy. His guests are so interesting! They are largely people I would never have heard about otherwise, and it’s so instructive to hear their stories. I do wish the host had a better mic. His content quality deserves equivalent sound quality.

nsmcc · Feb 2026

I’m a dilettante urbanist, and this podcast is one of my favorites for hearing experts break down how to improve our cities in tangible ways. Kevin does a great job of keeping the conversations informative yet still accessible for non-technical folks like me.

the stellion · Oct 2024

If you’re interested in urban development (especially small-scale and incremental) in midsize American cities, this is required listening. Cities like Kansas City have so much potential, and hearing nitty-gritty stories of how people are making change is really beautiful and inspiring.

FeralJosh · Apr 2023

Enjoying listening to what others are doing around the country. Inspiring interviews and discussions.

Lake Dallas Tiny Home Village · Sep 2024

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