Karen Karniol-Tambour - All Things Macro - [Invest Like the Best, EP. 237]

1h 19m · August 3, 2021

Karen Karniol-Tambour - All Things Macro - [Invest Like the Best, EP. 237]

My guest today is Karen Karniol-Tambour, Partner and Co-CIO for Sustainability at Bridgewater Associates. You will quickly understand why Ray Dalio described Karen as a “vacuum cleaner of learning” - our conversation covered a variety of market themes, and Karen goes deep on each of them. We touch on inflation, monetary policy, currencies, retail investors, ESG, and how each of these levers has become more important for investors to understand. Karen has a rare skill for making complex ideas seem simple, and I love the frameworks she uses to deconstruct big, important issues. She does such a good job of explaining what’s changed, why it matters, and what to do about it. I hope you enjoy my great conversation with Karen Karniol-Tambour.   For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page here. ------   This episode is brought to you by   With Tegus, you can learn everything you’d want to know about a company in an on-demand digital platform. Investors share their expert calls, allowing others to instantly access more than 10,000 calls on Affirm, Teladoc, Roblox, or almost any company of interest. All you have to do is log in. Visit to learn more.   ------   This episode is brought to you by . Eight Sleep's new Pod Pro Cover is the easiest and fastest way to sleep at your perfect temperature. Simply add the Pod Pro Cover to your current mattress and start sleeping as cool as 55°F or as hot as 110°F. To embrace the future of sleep and get $150 off your new mattress go to or use code "Patrick".   ------   Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, Inc. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.    Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here.   Follow us on Twitter: @patrick_oshag | @JoinColossus   Show Notes [00:03:39] - [First question] - How Bridgewater invests and the experiences that led her there [00:06:47] - What working with Daniel Kahneman felt like and learning his perspective [00:08:09] - An example of holding herself to accumulating and stress testing data [00:10:17] - Important variables to consider when seeking returns in large-scale bets [00:14:18] - What we should be thinking about in terms of inflation as we look to the future [00:20:07] - How she thinks about inflation and how she defines it [00:22:57] - Relevant asset classes that can protect or help diversify against inflation [00:26:14] - What still largely confuses her about inflation and its many facets [00:28:05] - Her philosophy and model for understanding the system of currency [00:33:21] - How investors should think about the US dollar  [00:35:50] - Whether or not owning an unhedged global equity index gives you currency exposure [00:37:07] - The fundamental nature of equity markets and household balance sheets [00:41:37] - Ways the growing wave of retail investors will impact prices and returns  [00:43:53] - How she’s evolved her valuation approach given our new investor landscape [00:45:43] - The good and bad roles ESG might play for investors going forward [00:50:36] - Potential concerns around the growing trend of ESG writ large [00:53:51] - Thoughts on the 60/40 portfolio and whether or not it’s still worth using [00:55:32] - Designing a default diversified portfolio in light of markets today [00:57:45] - Aspects of the global market economy today people should be talking about more [01:01:15] - Ways she investigates a new topic and how it has evolved over time [01:04:14] - Variables that matter in investment teams and company cultures [01:06:53] - How she would approach cryptocurrency and what’s interesting about them [01:09:08] - A rosey and gloomy take of what the world could look like in a decade [01:12:37] - The kindest thing that anyone has ever done for her  


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