Carl Kawaja - Wisdom from Decades of Investing - [Invest Like the Best, EP. 236]

1h 28m · July 27, 2021

Carl Kawaja - Wisdom from Decades of Investing - [Invest Like the Best, EP. 236]

Today’s conversation is one of my all-time favorites, with someone I’ve come to respect deeply in the field of investing. My guest is Carl Kawaja, who has served as a portfolio manager at Capital Group for decades. Capital Group is among the most respected shareholders in the world, with over $2T of assets, and listening to Carl, you’ll hear why.   In our conversation, we cover Carl’s criteria for building conviction around long-term holdings, why he views uncertainty and ambiguity as healthy, and why tolerating failure is key to great investing career. Throughout our discussion, Carl connects his lessons through a variety of direct experiences, personal analogies, and broader frameworks. I love his ability to talk in the weeds about his investments in Vale and TSMC and then quickly shift to his broader thematic views like “The Empire Strikes Back.” I hope you enjoy this great conversation with Carl Kawaja.   For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page here. ------   This episode is brought to you by Canalyst. Canalyst is the leading destination for public company data and analysis. If you've been scrambling to keep up with the deluge of IPOs and SPACs these days, Canalyst has models on Robinhood, Marqeta, Grab, and everything in between. Learn more and try Canalyst for yourself at   ------   This episode is brought to you by . Eight Sleep's new Pod Pro Cover is the easiest and fastest way to sleep at your perfect temperature. Simply add the Pod Pro Cover to your current mattress and start sleeping as cool as 55°F or as hot as 110°F. To embrace the future of sleep and get $150 off your new mattress go to or use code "Patrick".   ------   Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, Inc. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit    Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here.   Follow us on Twitter: @patrick_oshag | @JoinColossus   Show Notes [00:03:38] - [First question] - The two companies he has owned the longest and what they’ve taught him as an investor  [00:16:37] - Discussing his investment style through the lens of simplicity   [00:24:35] - A time where he worked to try and create a simplified equation but couldn’t  [00:30:59] - Discussing his investment style through the lens of echolocation and ambiguity  [00:36:03] - Thoughts on whether buying well or holding well is more difficult [00:40:40] - Capital Group’s history and his river-rafting analogy in regards to the company [00:47:48] - What he means by “The Empire Strikes Back” and relevant market themes [00:54:50] - A brief summary of “The Empire Strikes Back” [00:58:42] - Common reasons that he may have gotten something really wrong  [01:03:34] - Impressions made on him by the poet Rilke [01:09:00] - The work of Brunello Cucinelli and the nature of quality  [01:13:08] - Advice for new investors who want to step into the field and set themselves up for success [01:13:54] - The Visual Display of Quantitative Information  [01:17:39] - What he’s learned about kindness [01:19:54] - The kindest thing that anyone has ever done for him


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